Question on buying dogs.

[skipper]

I don't see how my ability to see which pups are going to be better at an early age has anything to do with you.

I was refering to your earlier post. #11 But your right it has nothing to do with me.


Okay, if that is true, then your ability to see which pups are the best does suck.

Here are two concepts you need to grasp:

1) Other people are simply better than you at certain things;
2) You are also better than other people at certain things.

If you can't see what to look for in a pup, athletically, then don't project your inability to see what you need to see in other people. And if you've only bred a few litters, how can you possibly presume to believe you have the same knack for breeding as someone who's bred scores of litters ... AND kept the same family in the winner's circle for decades?


Oh your absolutley right. I'm not even close to a breeder of your standards. And thats why i was impressed with this ability because i never heard of anyone being able to before.
For me it has been the case almost every time. The pups that are turning on early, great structure, movement and attitude are most often the ones getting beaten by the half skittish quiet ones. More than once have i thought of getting rid of pups i didn't believe in only to be proven dead wrong when times come to put em to the test.

You are a self-admitted non-breeder, and if you don't have the aptitude to pick the right pups, then you probably won't make much of one.

That doesn't mean you don't have a lot of skill in other areas that are important. The fact is, most people suck at breeding, which is why they can't keep the same family winning, and are always "starting over" again, and buying dogs.



Spot on again. Thats why all pups are kept with me or my close circle. At the end the best ones will still be available but i can't tell before they have been looked at. I'm also the first to admit i suck at breeding.



Ps. sorry for my crappy quoting skills.

[Officially Retired]

LMAO, we all have skills that suck, and skills we're good at.

For every one of the same 20 years I've bred winners, I have been told my people skills suck

Like you, I have been SURPRISED by ordinary-seeming dogs turning out better than I have thought, but very rarely have the gems of the litter turned out to be shit.

I mean, from Ch Stormbringer in 1999 to Ch Vengence in 2006, and a whole lotta dogs inbetween, I just knew these were going to be the best dogs in their litters.

U-Nhan-Rha, Jezebel, I could go on for a while. Thought they shined early on ... and they did as adults too.
Doesn't mean other dogs weren't good in these litters also, but when I see a pup that is clearly (and distinguishably) excellent, I can't honestly think of too many times where I have been wrong.

There have been a few, but by a longshot most of the time they pan out the way they shined to be when young

Jack

[skipper]

LOL yeah true. I would probably not send you to mediate peace in the middle east. But there are other things you're obviously good at.

[Officially Retired]

LOL yeah true. I would probably not send you to mediate peace in the middle east. But there are other things you're obviously good at.

[S_B]

LOL yeah true. I would probably not send you to mediate peace in the middle east. But there are other things you're obviously good at.

I disagree completely!

[bamaman]

I don't have a big yard myself..But I think the advantage of getting the better dogs goes to a bigger yard that's just my opinion and doesn't mean I'm right by any means..I'll admit when I did go to buy stock I liked the bigger yards.its very hard to have a big yard these days unless you own a bunch of land..Too many nosey people these days.

[bulldoghistorian]

wouldn't you say that from a performance aspect the quicker the better.
I mean the quicker you get out of there , the lest dents on the dog, more chances to have him ready for a next one.

[Bullman]

For me it is quicker the better also. Have had some dogs like Jack described who get stronger as it goes on but while I admire them they take too much punishment. I like a dog who has the ability and mouth to get the damage done early and get out with out taking too much stick.

[Black Hand]

For me it is quicker the better also. Have had some dogs like Jack described who get stronger as it goes on but while I admire them they take too much punishment. I like a dog who has the ability and mouth to get the damage done early and get out with out taking too much stick.

That previous answer was in reference to bringing a dog like Jack described. Yes, it is better to be on the winning end as fast as possible. I know guys who will only bring one out if it's a sure bet, if they think they can win easy with him. Going into something like that, the longer the better for me. Everyone wants to bring and breed mouth monsters. If he has enough mouth to beat you in :20 and you're still there at :40 then you're doing pretty good. But yeah, fast win is best. Last answer was misleading.

[Black Hand]

wouldn't you say that from a performance aspect the quicker the better.
I mean the quicker you get out of there , the lest dents on the dog, more chances to have him ready for a next one.

actually, it is the exact opposite. If my dog is taking your killer into deep waters, that obviously means your dog is not inflicting as much damage as you anticipated he would. Most likely your one hitter quitter blew his wad and you are about to find out what he is made of. Good for me, bad for you.