BREEDING COLD MALES??????

[Officially Retired]

I'd skip breeding to a cold anything when you can just easily find a dog that's not cold that's producing the quality of dogs you want.

Sometimes it is not "just as easy" to find a dog that's bred how you want that's "not cold."

For example, if Sorrells' Bull were still alive today (who was off of Klaus' Zeke bred to Bolio's sister--which is his own daughter), I would breed to Bull over most of the living "hot/game" males alive today, simply because IMO Klaus's Zeke was such a good dog.

I totally agree that if Sorrells' Bull had a living brother who was a helluva performer, and was demonstrably-game, that I would breed to the proven-game brother over the cold dog ... but if that cold dog is my only option I wouldn't hesitate. IMO, when there is a well-structured, super-bred individual dog ... that is inbred off of a critical animal, which is comprised of what I consider to be a vital gene pool to my line ... I would breed to such a dog in a heartbeat ... and then select those offspring from the resulting litter(s) whose character/genes I felt obtained in the way I wanted them to.

Jack

Edit: With that said, I personally have only bred to one cold dog in my life (Bolo), and I only did that as an experiment.

[pig mad]

is there a difference between breeding cold and breeding a cur??

[CRISIS]

yes^^^

[pig mad]

So if you only bred once to a cold dog as an experiment does that mean it didnt go the way you had hoped?

[Officially Retired]

No, I did it to see what would happen.

There were some good dogs, and bad dogs, like in every other litter, LOL

Jack

[TFX]

Still kills me that I had the chance to breed to this dog's brother and didn't. A good shot of ZEKE in this one, plus a lot of other common blood. This is a case where the breeder's name matters very little, but the dogs were sure bred right.
http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com...e&dog_id=32040

[Officially Retired]

I hear you.

When I was a lot younger, I had the chance to breed to a lot of great dogs, but didn't, because of the "human names" on the pedigree ... they weren't "famous" (LOL) ... but the dogs sure were bred right.

As I put more years behind me, it turns out the "non-famous" names in the pedigrees were actually good dogman who kept a low profile, so basically I blew it

That is what the "If Only" chapter was for in my book "The Hollingsworth Dogs"

Jack

[AGK]

[EWO]

There is no right way or wrong way to breed these dogs. For every one bred this way and has success there are five more bred another way with equal or even more success. All bulldogs can produce and all bulldogs can't produce. It is the happy median or that fine line between the two. The man behind the dogs is the key contributing factor. It is not the survival of the fittest. If we had an island and dropped off a couple hundred males and a couple hundred females that would be survival of the fittest. And at the end of the experiment the dogs that are left may be the fastest bulldogs alive, as flight is a far more natural instinct than fight. These dogs were not born this way they have been bred this way. If a breeder has the insight and forethought to make things better by breeding a certain dog instead of another, well, more power to them.
There are no absolutes in the dogs. But one of the things that is is just about an absolute is that the majority of the pedigrees are filled with dogs that have done nothing, or bred for the wrong reasons. And that includes the pedigrees of the game dogs that are bred to other game dogs. The game gene is not predominant one and it can't be called upon at will. On the flip side it can pop up when most think it will not. That is where the insight and forethought comes in. If one knows the dogs and the families of the dogs in question the end result will become more consistent and in time the success percentages will increase. Game to game is safe. No doubts there. But if one of the game dogs is from a litter with all curs and his parents had pedigrees with curs and do nothings then odds are one half of the game to game breeding will not be as "game to game" as one would think. When a breeder knows the families of a cold dog and that cold dog is full of game dogs, with talent and ability then breeding to him is (odds wise) a better option than breeding to a game dog who does not have the genetic background of game dogs. EWO

To each their own. I wouldn't breed to a cold dog. While some mentioned names happen to get lucky and produced some good ones by breeding cold dogs its not the norm and for every successful breeding done with cold dogs there is many more who never produced squat. It comes down to your own ethics. If you sell pups your probably a hundred timed more likely to accept this practice. If you got the time and resources to invest in breeding to cold dogs and known curs then more power to you. I don't and was always taught you breed your game dogs to
your game dogs and you'll get your game dogs.

gamebred should mean just what it says in my opinion. No disrespect to those who condone it or practice it but its just worth my time to do as I'd rather breed dogs that earned their right to be bred. Survival of the fittest. Is what it should be about.

[FrostyPaws]

It is simply a preference of what someone wants to use at their disposal. Some people would choose to breed to a cold dog, and some people would choose not to do so. Neither person is right or wrong as we can all point to examples of dogs that were/weren't cold that produced top quality dogs throughout time.