You can shed an 1/8 to 1/2 lb by shaving depending on the coat density of the dog. If folks were still over it was because they didn't call their weight correctly. Same thing rings true with running hot.
It has nothing to do with cosmetics.
S_B
You can shed an 1/8 to 1/2 lb by shaving depending on the coat density of the dog. If folks were still over it was because they didn't call their weight correctly. Same thing rings true with running hot.
It has nothing to do with cosmetics.
S_B
If you need to lose 1/2 a pound, it's because you didn't call the weight correctly to begin with.Originally Posted by S_B
Whatever factor hair has in running hot is very minimal at best.
Again, cosmetic OR not able to call the right weight OR silly superstition. Thought I'd toss that out there in light of other comments.
We shave damn near everything that we bring to the [ ]. We shave everything from the base of the head down. The only reason that is effective is to lose more weight. We have shaved everything from thick coated/long hair/55lb males to little 30lb gyps with thin coats and have never ever gotten 1/2lb off. The most we have gotten was 6oz and the majority of the time it is between 3-5oz.
Running hot is a complex subject.
Fur is on a dog to keep it warm. Dogs cannot sweat. A dog with fur-on is going to be warmer than a dog with fur-off.
Still, that said, running hot has nothing to do with fur, lol.
Running hot is some combination of "actual temperature" ... as well as condition, blood chemistry, all capped-off with whether the dog is relaxed or stressed.
Temperature affects how long a dog can go;
Condition affects how long a dog can go;
Blood chemistry affects how long a dog can go;
How relaxed/poised vs. amped/nervous the dog is affects how long ago.
Of all these critical factors, whether or not a dog is "shaved" or not is of next-to-ZERO actual benefit IMO.
A shaved dog with shitty blood will still run hot;
A shaved dog in terrible shape will still run hot;
A shaved dog that burns-up all its energy (and/or is full of anxiety) will still run hot.
In the end, a relaxed, poised dog, in shape, and with good blood, will be long-winded with the hair God gave it.
Jack
PS: Can't think of a single all-time-great dog that needed to be matched, shaved
You guys are missing the question here. Not asking why shave on show day but asking why during/for a keep.
Here is my guess before I head to bed,
When hosing him/her down after workouts(between sets or after hard sets) to cool down that's when the shaving helps more with cooling basically helps with KEEPS during hot weather. It can also be a method to seeing how the bulldog results are looking throughout his/her keep or 3/4 keep. The fur will regrow on show day. (Weigh daily of course and No shave for show)
About shaving for the show, if bulldog is shaved for show he/she will stay cooler but IF goes to scratching getting wash the furless will dry quicker than the one with fur thus by making the furless the less cooler one now. Cons on furless will have less armor. If no scratch, Pros he'll be the cooler one. Cons will be the same as having less armor no matter what.
And yeah on show day some do it for cosmetic purposes not aware of the pros/cons, this we'll leave aside. Lol now let's dig deeper into shaving during keep.
Ok i totally missed what you were getting at. I have never heard of someone shaving during a keep. For the reasons that you presented it makes no sense to me at all to do it in the keep.
I agree with Gotap_d, never ever heard of shaving a dog for this reason at all. The shaving would be just before the contest for the reasons already stated.
Climate let's entertain your theory for just a moment as far as cooling in keep like you described. If your dog was use to being cooled that way all keep long then you changed at the end of the keep, wouldn't that defeat the purpose?
Furthermore it would be silly to make easier during keep what is going to be harder in a contest. JM2cents!
S_B
I would just like to add the logic behind your purposed method seems ass backwards to me.
I'll say in my simple terms why...look at boxers or MMA fighters, when they are going to fight in an environment different than where they live what do they do? They go to that environment to train so that their bodies and their conditioning can adjust. High altitudes for example would be detrimental to a fighter that trained in a low altitude gym.
So taking something away that you think makes training cooler or easier is no different in my mind.
S_B
S_B ty for your opinion.
Only the one who's done it knows. I know for a fact TCF does it for many reasons not only for cosmetic. He shave every single one he put in keep. (The Tcf keep)
So I'm trying to hear from ones that have done it or a logic behind it.
The Chosen Few shaved his dog, Tito Trinidad when he faced Ch Vengence (and he also came in a pound heavy).
It did not help TCF achieve his desired end, either in having a shaved dog, or in bringing the 2-lb bigger dog, to win the fight.
IMO, shaving dogs is one of those things "some people do" that has no bearing on anything.
In the end, some people do things that are effective; some things people do things that are a detriment; and some people do things which are ultimately ignorant superstitions that don't actually do a thing.
At best, shaving dogs would be categorized as the latter.
Jack
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