That is very nice!Originally Posted by CRISIS
That is very nice!
The other aspect of inbreeding a very tight family that few understand is making a "cross within the family" not based on pedigree or inbreeding coefficient, but rather on traits. I use every trait I can identify to determine where the genetic influence is coming from; from coat color, down to whether they shit in the same spot or not. Being "too inbred" on paper does nothing to sway me away from a breeding, but seeing the wrong combination of traits in the prospective parents sure might. I am quite certain when I mention my dogs with a 75% inbreeding coefficient, many people think I breed too tight. Even though we have perpetuated these same dogs in an unbroken chain since 1990, having shown, tested, and evaluated every aspect of these dogs, someone looking at a pedigree may still be audacious enough to make a judgment. I can produce dogs with 93 to 99% inbreeding coefficients, but selection for the right traits is everything! Meanwhile, the critics of my breeding practices would take 25 years of experience and effort, and blow it into pieces with a single outcross. No thanks!
Good concept
Yes, exactly right.
It takes a large yard to be able to do this, to have sub-families within a main family, but that is in essence what all great breeders do, pretty much.
I myself really stick to this style of breeding. I've been doing it with out a big yard but luckily having small litters and taking it one breeding at a time. Its a slow process but my dogs stay consistent and are holding the traits gen to gen and picking up the ones I add with each breeding. If all goes well I will be blending the best offspring from 2 sisters together next. One male is a backcross pulling the main old blood and traits up front that I needed with one sister. The other sister was bred to male heavier linebred on another individual in the family. Hopefully those to males I introduced traits stick when its all together. I also have a heavy inbred male that is a nephew to the old male I back crossed with to pull genes and traits forward off his brother and sister. We shall see how this family forms if all goes well.
In fact, look at the WIC of the dog you posted
At 4 generations the WIC of the dog you posted is ZERO.
At 10 generations, it is only 7.
And yet he is still essentially 50% linebred Chinaman, top and bottom, via inbreedings on two completely different aspects of the same family.
By contrast each parent is 25-28% inbred at 4 generations, and 36-45% inbred at 10 generations, each inbred on different, specific individual Chinaman dogs.
This means you can take 2 inbred Chinaman dogs and "outcross" them to each other, because they're inbred on different individuals
This is a fabulous example of exactly what I meant by saying a person can "outcross within his own family" and essentially keep his dogs "Purebred X" forever
Want to share a ped?
I have to finish putting dogs in the data base. Soon as I do I'll post.
Great post ... and, trust me, I feel your pain in that last sentence.
That is the first move every greenhorn (and not too bright old hat) wants to make is "an outcross" ... it's almost like an idiot-reflex.
Awesome thread!
LOYALTY BEFORE ROYALTY !!!
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