Who is the Better Dogman?

[Acesaun]

So do you think it works the same way with farming? You should only do your best "after" the crops grow ... or do you think that a farmer's best has to be sown every step of the way first if he expects to get the best overall yield?

Jack

I agree it is like farming, what you put in is what you get back, no matter if it's farming, breeding, raising a pup,ect but there are occasion when you don't get back what you expect so what do you do, you get rid of what's not needed so to get a higher % of greatness or the best you associate the best with the best, So IMO I don't think there anything wrong with wanting the best producer, the best athlete, the gamest, the best what ever it is that you look for in a dog in order to acquire the best...JMO

[Wise]

Well lets turn it up a notch, WHAT IS THE BEST? Some look for the dog that can rack up the most wins, some are looking for that ROM, some just want the deepest game one they can find.....

[ragedog10]

I find it funny how some of the people on here are so quick to give advice on here that they don't follow themselves! Does it make you a better dog man or woman just because you have new dog houses and you feed a thousand dollars feed? And yet this same person can roll a puppy at 11 or 12 months old and cull it when this puppy never made a bad move but their still a better dog person because they feed a more expensive feed or cause their dog house's are insulated? As said before You Reap wat you Sow! A good dogman or woman isione who's always trying to learn something not some one who you can't have a conversation with because they know everything! Had someone try and tell me everything this other camp is doing wrong when he has no record of comparison! Now don't get me wrong if you know your shit by all means share it but if you're not living by the standards of which you speak stop throwing rocks and hiding your hands!

[Officially Retired]

I find it funny how some of the people on here are so quick to give advice on here that they don't follow themselves! Does it make you a better dog man or woman just because you have new dog houses and you feed a thousand dollars feed? And yet this same person can roll a puppy at 11 or 12 months old and cull it when this puppy never made a bad move but their still a better dog person because they feed a more expensive feed or cause their dog house's are insulated? As said before You Reap wat you Sow! A good dogman or woman isione who's always trying to learn something not some one who you can't have a conversation with because they know everything! Had someone try and tell me everything this other camp is doing wrong when he has no record of comparison! Now don't get me wrong if you know your shit by all means share it but if you're not living by the standards of which you speak stop throwing rocks and hiding your hands!

Who are you talking to exactly?

[Officially Retired]

Well lets turn it up a notch, WHAT IS THE BEST? Some look for the dog that can rack up the most wins, some are looking for that ROM, some just want the deepest game one they can find.....

I would say, "the best" would be all of these things

But even a deep game dog with no other trick has value ...

[Officially Retired]

I agree it is like farming, what you put in is what you get back, no matter if it's farming, breeding, raising a pup,ect but there are occasion when you don't get back what you expect so what do you do, you get rid of what's not needed so to get a higher % of greatness or the best you associate the best with the best,

Very well said.

AFTER you've done your best, if the individual doesn't make it, then it sure isn't because of you.

We've all been disappointed by certain individuals, and we have all failed on our end with other individuals, but that doesn't mean new individuals still don't deserve our best.

So IMO I don't think there anything wrong with wanting the best producer, the best athlete, the gamest, the best what ever it is that you look for in a dog in order to acquire the best...JMO

I agree, there is nothing wrong with wanting your dogs to be the best, but there IS something wrong with this if the owner isn't willing to do his best first

Jack

[EWO]

The guy that is looking to get the best out of each dog is usually the guy who is doing the most with each dog, or the most that he can. The two dog men that turned me onto dogs were hard cullers. Dogs didn't get a lot of chances. They pretty much had to hit the ground running. They both looked at the failures as available chain spaces. Maybe the silver lining approach. I started off the same way.

I would roll on a guys dog and pretty much decide I would put him down. Some guy would keep that dog, breed that dog and two years later kick the shit out of me with the offspring. I am no brain surgeon but after awhile I started to see the value of dogs that were not necessarily match dogs. I am not saying making dogs out of curs but just because a dog is not a top quality match dog he/she can still have value, and in certain aspects even more valuable. One match dog that wins three or one brood dog that produces three dogs that wins three matches.

That in turns goes to the 'beauty is in the eye of the beholder'. Some guys cull harder than others. Some guys cull dogs that are not match dogs but would be good brood dogs for a breeder but they themselves do not care about breeding/puppies. Some guys will not cull in the hopes of making chicken salad out of chicken shit. Takes all kinds.

One of the early lessons I learned was that the keep does not last eight weeks it starts at nine weeks before they are born. (The forethought/insight into the actual breeding). Any and everything from conception to show night matters. EWO

[Officially Retired]

The guy that is looking to get the best out of each dog is usually the guy who is doing the most with each dog, or the most that he can. The two dog men that turned me onto dogs were hard cullers. Dogs didn't get a lot of chances. They pretty much had to hit the ground running. They both looked at the failures as available chain spaces. Maybe the silver lining approach. I started off the same way.

I would roll on a guys dog and pretty much decide I would put him down. Some guy would keep that dog, breed that dog and two years later kick the shit out of me with the offspring. I am no brain surgeon but after awhile I started to see the value of dogs that were not necessarily match dogs. I am not saying making dogs out of curs but just because a dog is not a top quality match dog he/she can still have value, and in certain aspects even more valuable. One match dog that wins three or one brood dog that produces three dogs that wins three matches.

That in turns goes to the 'beauty is in the eye of the beholder'. Some guys cull harder than others. Some guys cull dogs that are not match dogs but would be good brood dogs for a breeder but they themselves do not care about breeding/puppies. Some guys will not cull in the hopes of making chicken salad out of chicken shit. Takes all kinds.

One of the early lessons I learned was that the keep does not last eight weeks it starts at nine weeks before they are born. (The forethought/insight into the actual breeding). Any and everything from conception to show night matters. EWO

Another fabulous post

[jayblack]

The guy who takes his time and spends time with the dogs , I got a dog for free because he "wouldn't " start .. He was two yrs old . I kept him as a pet for another 8 months he became a 2xw , I had a daughter of dead lift same deal , she was my daughters dog she had no mouth she won 1 and showed extreme game ness . I always kept less dogs than I had space they all got house and family time and I think they performed better for me than the prior owner because of it ... Made ch. show time a ch she had no ability , made ch . Morena a ch. she had no mouth etc etc our kennel motto is we do more with less ...

[S_B]

One of the early lessons I learned was that the keep does not last eight weeks it starts at nine weeks before they are born. (The forethought/insight into the actual breeding). Any and everything from conception to show night matters. EWO

This is so so true, and while we all would like to think we ourselves "hit the ground running" truth is we have ALL fell, got up and dusted ourselves off a time or two. We have also made culling decisions we later looked back on and not regretted so much, but would have done things differently now that hindsight is 20/20.

Great posts above as well...