The best I remember from what the japs told me tosa rules are alot different from American rules ,the dogs are slow and more in comparison to a sumo wrestler .
The best I remember from what the japs told me tosa rules are alot different from American rules ,the dogs are slow and more in comparison to a sumo wrestler .
Originally Posted by waccamaw
That may well be true, but for any test to be conclusive someone would literally have to take a sample of at least a few thousand dogs, of each breed type, conduct actual pressure tests, and then publish the bell-shaped curve of the statistic spread to see which "average" is greater. If any.
Without this concrete data, everyone is pretty much discussing opinions and biases, not facts.
Obviously, I agree that the pit bull is (pound-for-pound) the greatest fighting dog on earth ... "on average" ... but lots of them can't bite all that hard.
What makes them such great fighters is their general athleticism and gameness ... and what makes them hang on, even when mutilated, isn't "biting power" so much as tenacity and gameness: the refusal to let go.
Jack
it doesnt make sense to compare biting force with a 3 times bigger dog
We had a 200 lb german rott that wondered into cyclones chain space ,we had to break cyclone off him.that dang dog had holes in him you could put a golf ball in and cyclone just had scratches ,but as far a a protector that rott was a beast .
About the dogs biting force, I can only say that I have only seen Bulldogs breaking rocks and I mean fist size rocks and this was a 35-40 lb bulldog. Now the fact that Japanese dog man cross their Tosas with bulldogs, should tell you that this dogman now that the bulldogs have something that the Tosas don't have.
In the early 90's I had a few Fila Brasileiros. At the bite portion of the working weekend the guy being paid to test the dogs asked if anyone wanted to give it a try. I took bites from the Filas. They were somewhat hard mouthed, but it was a frontal bite, and it was a lot of weight (120-160lbs dogs) pulling down. Next was a Malinois about 80lbs. Hard mouthed, lots of tenacity, full mouth bite. The next was a 45lb. pit bulldog of a Snooty/Pool Hall red breeding. The bite pressure of the other dogs felt like nothing in comparison to the pit bulldog. He was sent from about 15-20 yards and he brought a load. The last dog was a 85-90lb American Bulldog. His pressure on the sleeve was more than the others but not like the pit, but he went airborne, hit the sleeve and knocked me on my ass. Quite impressive.
These are just one individual dog from only three or four different breeds. I can't say it crosses all dogs of every breed, but in this case the pit dog had far more bite pressure than the others. I doubt there is anyway to really test bite, like in pounds per square inch, or so many lbs of pressure, as there is no way to tell if the dog is biting all out. I agree with Jack, it is the desire to stay there that makes the difference. That desire, I believe, is exclusive to the APBT. EWO
Jack why do you say it's a nonsense?
I know that the statistic science need lot of data on dog to make a reasonable description about bite force of different dog breeds... It's about all things!!!
I told you the Tosa is a bigger mastiff near the pitbull...
So if you compare the hardest bite of a tosa with the hardest bite of a pitbull i think the tosa would have the hardest...
But mouth is not all, the weight plays an important rule... The tosa keep him down and the pitbull has to pull and push a weight of 60- 70 kg...
And pitbull get tired soon in comparison to fight with a same weight dog...
And if the tosa give a neck bite or spine bite... It's a big big trouble...
I love the pitbull and respect the breed more than you think believe me!!!
FOR ME A 30 kg of hard hard mouth pitbull is the ZENITH OF THE WARRIOR CANINE FAMILY!!!
But focus on long shows the true finishers don't have the right space.
Pitbull must be the top!!!
Gr ch Tano demostrates this!!!
But i know Tosas won over 30 kg pitbulls... And i would know if it is caused by the breeder that isn't able to select good bulldogs... Or it's only because the Tosa is a super fighter
It's because Tosa is 30 to 40 kg's bigger period would you contract into another bulldog that is 5, 10 or 15 lbs heaver no because there is only one out come and it doesn't make the larger winner the better bulldog just the smaller ones owner a damn fool a Tosa's ability is no way comparable lb for lb to the APBT as a combat dog bulldogs are in a league of there own.
RoughNeck
will888 ask your self which breed of fighting dog is the one used all over the world? The answer is the bulldog, it used from North America all the way to South America, it is used in Europe, and many of the country's where they have their own fighting breed, Japan, Turkey, Russia, ect. This fact alone shows that the bulldog is the best fighting dog breed, also the bulldog game is a scratching game, the Tosa is fought with different rules, no emphasis on scratching.
If you will read Richard f stratons first book ,I think it was 3 pitbulls that went over to jap and they all won..against the tosa
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