When u buy a dog who dog it really is

[widerange]

Mmmmm, that's not giving enough credit to the breeder. That's like saying the race car driver is more important than being in a truly world class race car. The best driver is worth nothing without a good car to sit in. Thus THE AUTO MAKER is the most important, then the driver.

Sure, a lousy driver can crash a great car, but even a ho-hum driver can still compete and "go fast" if he's sitting in a truly-fast car to begin with ... while even the best driver in the world can't do shit sitting inside a Toyota Corolla

THE most important part of any race is a truly world class car ... from there, what matters are the drivers, but ALL OF THEM (win or lose) need a world class car FIRST in order to be in the running to compete. Because, in a good car, even so-so divers are still going awful damn fast

Back to this, any retard with a great dog can still crash and burn with his stupidity at the helm of greatness, but plenty of novices with great dogs (who have them in halfway decent shape) have beaten great dogmen with just "pretty good" dogs ...

Jack

Your right any bum with a top end car can race he can go fast but this is about winning. Top class race cars will never press the gas, shift, take a turn or enter a e.t with out a drive and I have seen many vw bugs with top drivers win on Saturday night at the drag strip against top end drag cars with shitty drivers because they knew what to do and how to do it from enter the e.t to watching the tree

[bolero]

Mmmmm, that's not giving enough credit to the breeder. That's like saying the race car driver is more important than being in a truly world class race car. The best driver is worth nothing without a good car to sit in. Thus THE AUTO MAKER is the most important, then the driver.

Sure, a lousy driver can crash a great car, but even a ho-hum driver can still compete and "go fast" if he's sitting in a truly-fast car to begin with ... while even the best driver in the world can't do shit sitting inside a Toyota Corolla

THE most important part of any race is a truly world class car ... from there, what matters are the drivers, but ALL OF THEM (win or lose) need a world class car FIRST in order to be in the running to compete. Because, in a good car, even so-so divers are still going awful damn fast

Back to this, any retard with a great dog can still crash and burn with his stupidity at the helm of greatness, but plenty of novices with great dogs (who have them in halfway decent shape) have beaten great dogmen with just "pretty good" dogs ...

Jack

and the world class car is nothing without a world class racer. the breeder knows traits and knows when the dogs should start and those type of things but the competitor is the one who is raising that pup into a world class athlete he is the one who day and night feeds that dog waters that dog and conditions that dog. now to me a keep starts at eight weeks old not just eight weeks long so i give my self a little more credit because it is me and my dogs blood sweat and tears that are entering the battlefield the breeder gets credit for breeding a winner but not the win because he was not handling conditioning or giving the dog medical attention i do those things so i get the credit for the win and the breeder gets the credit for knowing how to put the genes together to create that winner

[unknow kennel]

This threat was not point at no body I was just Wounder what other think one of white paw baddest son is a house dog I lol lol when I go over i be try to buy him back but he will never get to party so I guest I will all way have one to breed to in by the way people me in EVO or boys Just little bro in big bro shit BUT WE STREIGHT NOW

[Officially Retired]

There's no doubt quality driving is where the cream of the crop is ... true ... but my point is, it only matters once we're talking about getting world class VEHICLES under those drivers, which depend on the manufacturer

[canismajor]

definitely team effort, but it starts with quality stock. then good coaching, and discipline. i agree with c. j. i give props to the breeders. the rest of us would not be here if it wasnt for them. high quality breed.

[widerange]

I'm not saying that breeders out there are not needed or do not deserve credit I'm simply saying when it comes to winning the breeders derserves no credit outside of making the breeding that produced happen. Fords build car but they don't tune them or race them. But my main point is this the owners win/lose records reflex on him and only him the breeder you often only hear about the winning side of that record so they have less involved less input and less on the line over all which entitles them to less credit for winning

[canismajor]

you can lead a donkey to water but you cant make him drink.not the dogs fault

[Nash]

I would try and get a few other dogs from that breeder. Thing is that giving credit does not take away from credits earned. I dont see the problem.

[CrazyRed]

If you dont want to give credit to the man that bred and gave or sold you that winning dog, what kind of person are you? Everybody knows that you raised a pup or bought a prospect and schooled or just hooked and won with him, but you did not breed him and chances are that you couldnt breed your own to begin with. Chances are that the winner you got might throw you a few more but if you go dog for dog with the breeder he probably beats you easily. STP was a great combine that could beat anybody in the world but as breeders, I'd say Boudreaux, Boyles, Hollingsworth, Tant, Victor etc outdone them in breedings.

[FrostyPaws]

Widerange, I'm not a breeder such as Jack or Evo. All of what I described is why exactly I've only sold a handful of dogs over the years. I decided to keep them myself, do them the correct way, and be satisfied with what I have from there on out. That way, there is no ruination of the dogs I breed.

Winning and losing reflects on the person showing the dog AND the breeder.