It's hard enough to win one, let alone six. If he hasn't loss his status as a cur is yet to be determined regardless of his style.
It's hard enough to win one, let alone six. If he hasn't loss his status as a cur is yet to be determined regardless of his style.
Ultimately, it depends on what you want to feed and like. Even if the dog is a winner, it boils down to how many faults you, as the owner, can live with. I have seen a few dogs that won 3 and 4 that I simply wouldn't feed after I was done showing them. Hell, they may not have even made it that far at my house simply due to the fact I don't like particular actions.
Dogs that make every bad move in the book and win are winning dogs, but would I breed to one of those or feed it any longer than I had to do so? Hell no. I've fed a dog or two some years ago that did that kind of thing, and ultimately, at this stage, I simply can't stomach that kind of thing any longer than necessary. So, before everyone goes on about they'd be glad to feed dogs that win 2, 3, or 4, take into consideration what it is you may actually be feeding. Curs don't have to quit to be curs. I don't know if the dog mentioned in this thread is being "hated" on or not, but I know the truth is out there if someone wants to find out for themselves.
if the dog never quits, calling him a cur is only speculation. no different than suggesting anything that has never happened no matter how likely it may seem. if it hasn't quit, that's the facts weather you like how he acts or not.
That's simply not the case. See enough dogs go, and you can spot curs, and you don't have to see them actually quit to even know. Perfect example is a bitch from not long ago. Looked good the first 10, then after that, she did a lot of turning, running, and she went from running scratches full bore to walking them. She was picked up. I don't have to SEE that dog quit to know she was a cur. The writing was on the wall for everyone to see. Unfortunately, not everyone can read that particular writing for whatever reasons.Originally Posted by Black Hand
Old man Nate had some type of uncanny ability to spot a cur in a show that never made a bad move. I don't know how he did it, but he did it regularly. I could never read that writing aside from having a certain gut feeling about some.
that's a far cry from a dog that has won 4.
It's not a far cry from a dog that's won 4. Ch.Dahmer was a dog that won 3, and pretty much did the exact same thing for his 4th. He was picked up while standing the line on his turn to scratch. 3x winners or 4x winners have quit throughout history and given bad signs when doing so, so it's not a far cry whatsoever.
R2L, the difference isn't as big as you may think. Ever seen a winning dog not run a courtesy scratch when the other dog quit already?
Strictly-speaking, concerning the nature of knowledge vs. belief, what you describe isn't "knowledge" at all; it's belief. Even justified belief.
The simple truth is, if you did not see a dog quit, then you do not "know" the dog would have quit, you merely have very strong (even justified) belief that the dog would quit.
I myself have seen a ton of dogs that I was 100% sure that they would have quit, and I may have been right, but my strong beliefs were not "knowledge" either; they were merely very strong, justifiable beliefs.
Only when the dog actually stops, and confirms the justifiable beliefs that we have, do those beliefs then get upgraded to true KNOWLEDGE.
Jack
Correct. I mistyped my terminology, which does happen at times.
if the dpog wins and does not quit it is nit a cur u can speculate all day and say he will cur but that is like saying all dogs will quit when dead game dogs dont and we can not bring them back to find out
It's nothing like saying all dogs will quit. If you think a dog will quit, you can find out at a later date, if you so choose. You can't bring the dead back to life to prove anything.
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