DISPUTED OR FAKE PEDS FROM THE PAST AND PRESENT .

[CYJ]

Ditto Foxman. We did too after that incident. I put a TV/VCR in my Building and played loud foot ball games etc. Some times the hard knock way of schooling helps a lot. LOL

In my town there was a dog man that had a deep booming voice and would get down by your dog and holler at him to let his dog go and quit biting my dog. Would holler at your dog when making it's scratch to his dog. Would cover his dog's mouth and head with his hand and arm if you let him get away with it.

Finally one time he was pulling this crap and had his face down close to both dogs. The opponent's dog released his hold to try and take a good bite hold on this guy's face. Missed his face by a mill second. He got right white looking in the Face. Look like he was going to pass out. From then on he stopped a lot of those shenanigans. LOL

I think this topic is about done far. I like war stories much better. LOL Mr. Fox if you wish, post something on the Tudor's Runt/Dibo story. Mr. Skinner told me about this back in the early 70's. Start a new topic. Enough has been said on this subject. At least for me anyway. Cheers

[Foxman]

CYJ, Most everyone knows that' I think'. About Dibo being Runt for a while. I had a female who sure out of Runt and Dam was out of Dibo. So she was inbred on Dibo. I'm not sure why he did all the paper changing. Earl told me once if you want to be famous. Get you a good dog and put your papers on him. I didn't ever ask Earl about that Dibo=Runt deal. Maloney told me about it originally. I believe he didn't have the papers he desired so he used them. I still wonder to this day how Dibo was bred. He doesn't look like his ancestors to me but I think the last se of papers might be right, Because why would you change the first to the second set unless you thought the second was right and the first set were wrong. Project-X thinks we are straying from the subject. But proving the only pure strain comes from a guy that lies about the papers and cheats in dogfights, Is just part of the testimony breaking down Project-x' Dream. Mayfield also stole a dog from Fitzawater when after they made friends later on in life. Mayfield confessed. Just some testimony showing Mayfield isn't a God and his Earl wasn't an upstanding guy either. Earl ended up with several stolen dogs throught his life. Earl's own Brother -in-law Flo's brother shot him once. Earl had been shot five or six times. Does that sound like a God.

[projectx]

CYJ, Most everyone knows that' I think'. About Dibo being Runt for a while. I had a female who sure out of Runt and Dam was out of Dibo. So she was inbred on Dibo. I'm not sure why he did all the paper changing. Earl told me once if you want to be famous. Get you a good dog and put your papers on him. I didn't ever ask Earl about that Dibo=Runt deal. Maloney told me about it originally. I believe he didn't have the papers he desired so he used them. I still wonder to this day how Dibo was bred. He doesn't look like his ancestors to me but I think the last se of papers might be right, Because why would you change the first to the second set unless you thought the second was right and the first set were wrong. Project-X thinks we are straying from the subject. But proving the only pure strain comes from a guy that lies about the papers and cheats in dogfights, Is just part of the testimony breaking down Project-x' Dream. Mayfield also stole a dog from Fitzawater when after they made friends later on in life. Mayfield confessed. Just some testimony showing Mayfield isn't a God and his Earl wasn't an upstanding guy either. Earl ended up with several stolen dogs throught his life. Earl's own Brother -in-law Flo's brother shot him once. Earl had been shot five or six times. Does that sound like a God.

Randy i never said anyone was an angel and mayfield also wasn't a choir boy, but my dream as you like to call it is based on the facts we have about blind billy and they are the same type of facts you randy like to quote in your sermons about other dogs .

Now when i said we are straying away from the thread, it was about post's which have notihng to do with the thread like jacks one about scale rigging and mine in reply to it reply whichn is deserves its own thread otherwsie whats the point of
threads on a particular subject, yours adding some historical breeidng stuff is fine but talk off a completly different subject
that doesnt have anything to do with the pedigrees should have its own thread whichim sure you many ohters including myslef can add to without confusing this one .

Now as usuall randy you want to throw your clusterbombs at folks today its tudor, with only a little at mayfield , and of course we dont know how you roll do we , i mean your a stand up living and breathing saint arent you randy , but what im saying is this, yes we all know earl said lots of stuff about learn how to cheat etc and was always trying to get an edge, no one at least not me is saying he or anyone else including mayfield didnt try what they could , but with all your knowledge about the game randy which you have and in many tihngs i think you have no axe to grind , but i have tried to put as many scenarios regarding billy into place, and unless you or anyone else can prove that dibo was bred before he got to earls yard to minnie
and somehow billy miracoulously ended up on earls yard one year before dibo even left henzls yard id like to hear it, but not a load of what if and maybe scenarios randy actuall recorded facts like we have on both dibo and blind billy along with the floyds OWN words which i assume you not going to say hes lying are you randy , i think its a tough hole all the floyd supporters and mayfield haters are in , as floyds own words incriminate him and if hes lying about his own words that does the same, so randy lets stop trying to avoid the enevitable and admit it looks like floyd may not have been as saintly as some folks on this forum would like to have us believe randy and of course that would lead us to eli and that would lead us to MAYFIELD and that randy would break some folks hearts and collapse the house of cards that is the blind billy and eli cover up.

Now randy before you reply with your diversion tactics like you always do, try giving the good folks here more than just
some what if and maybe scenario and you heard this or that , what facts do you have, cos so far randy all you have done is scream as loud as you can about me and my words , but the fact is their not my words or even MYAIFELDS words randy their FLOYDS own words along with the dobs and uncontested histroical storys that we have for dibo ,and all the wanting
to change them facts to help old floyd isnt going to change them ,and i wonddr if it was mayfield in floyds place if you would be runing around like a jack rabbit trying to find a hole to jump into to avoid the the jaws of the dog , i doubt it.

Randy whatever your problem with mayfield is and i know were it stems from, thats fine everyone has a side , but when
you as you always do you like to drip feed every post with negative vibes towards him , when other folks say something positive you never back that up do you andyou never counter other negative psots about mayfield, like jacks scale rigging post, which may be true but may also be untrue as i think as you know everything about this breed that it was mayfield who found out
that another set of dogemn were rigging some scales and he put a stop to it, now im not saying that means he didnt riig scales himself , just as you or any other dogman may or may not have done soemthing who knows right, but you never counter to help mayfield you only either say negative tihngs mostly or chip in to agree with others or say nothing which considering your knwledge base i find astounding but completly in character with your modis operandai , so gang up do what you want keep telling us what so and so said and deny to yourself all you like, but its a shame that your dislike for don takes you to keep trying to cover up for floyd .

Randy i know you take this personally , but i dont ahte you but please dont treat me like a fool ,you may get away with that with other folks , but not with me, and we can agree to have different opinions and that i can respect from any man
just like your view on the dam to tombstone vs' my view , i dont agree but i can see how it could be true, as their is more room for other possibilties but no hard facts to really change the pedigree just words of mouth and other circumstantial evidence ,which one can make their own mind up to, but randy not with billy and the fact that you would atack me with such hate rather than stronger and more opposing facts to prove them wrong which i would respect regardless of our
views , but you cant bring yourself to do it, to be a sportsman to say ok it looks bad but i still dont think its like that ,but i can see how it looks bad for floyd , and that would be a man who can be honest even if it hurts , and someone who can
disagree but see your side of the argument when the arguemnt is hard to beat , but randy so far you have not been that man ,but i have , so randy i dont expect your reply to be any different to your others , but who knows its the christmas
period and they do say miracles happen at christmas time , but all this thread should hope to achieve is getting a little nearer the truth about some famous dogs with disputed pedigrees as best as we can ,and with that randy i wish you
and your loved ones a happy new year.

[bolero]

u dont have facts u have earls word of dibos birth which could very well b a lie

[projectx]

u dont have facts u have earls word of dibos birth which could very well b a lie

Bolero then lets do this lets say everyone including you and me are a lair's and not take any historical or actuall words from anyone ever and start over again shall we.And if you can say why should we take earls or the men who bred dibos word for it, and all and any other timeline evidence we have and decide to not accept it, then why cant you say that about floyds words bolero? words that actually dont add up but you like others only want to doubt one side the side with a believable timeline over one that doesnt ,and if your not being onesided how come you have never once said that, maybe its floyd who is wrong rather than the overwhellming evidence before you, so i find it telling as to your motives for this denial..

Of course we dont want to do that, and we dont have just earls word for anytihng, we have a lot of words from floyd himslef, plus we have the actuall adba pedigrrees and probably the ukc pedigrees for dibo and billy and lets not forget all the other hearsay and circumstantial evidence while not being direct proof certainley adds to the facts we do have and
they show it to be a very unlikley that billy was sired by dibo, and bolero if you can find more actuall factual evidence other than what ifs and maybe's then im all ears and would welcome it with open arms, have a happy new year.

[ragedog10]

ENOUGH ALREADY. You are obsessed with this. The FACTS are Mayfield was not a good breeder peroid, if he were then he would have used Tombstone and Eli in his program he chose not to. Its sad now to watch you repeat the same thing over and over again, it seems that you hang onto every word Mayfield said. Like many have said what does it matter now? Just stop you are making yourself look crazy, whats done is done. Yis Ole Man

[Foxman]

Project-X How old are you? Have you ever seen a real dogfight? Have you ever met a real dogfighter? Why is it so important for you to believe these rumors you keep saying? Did you know this stuff has been hashed and rehashed for years with no ending? Are you handicapped and secluded in one place and have no life? What country,state,town are you from. Do you have a College Degree? Do you have any Mayfield dogs? If so have you tested them? I saw Nigger quit. His name was Black Shine when he quit. Does that bother you? A.B. Forsaythe owned him at that time. He changed hands 6 or 7 times. He was used as a roll dog and bred three times that I know of when A.B. had him. A.B. made a deal with Jim Williams to help him get him. Jim Williams went to Earls and got a Dibo female and Black Shine. A.B. traded Dusky Jr. who was a bad hard dog for those two dogs to Jim to be delivered to A.B. Forsythe. Those two that A.B. Forsythe got were bred together and all of the pups quit. I got a male out of Black Shine and a daughter to Forsythes Jeanie and Forsythe's Dusky dog. His name was Crazy and he was a good dog. He whipped two top bred dogs but was plagued with red mange. I wish he was born today. I can cure that stuff now. His dam's mother died in a fight against Colorado. She was a game dog. All of Crazy's full brothers and sisters out of Nigger (Black Shine) quit. Blackshine (Nigger) also was bred to Forsythe's Jeanie. One of them was kept as a stud dog but the rest quit. Mayfield had several that were good game dogs. I'm guessing he bred up 10 that were top winning dogs. That is a poor average if you count all he bred. Kind of like the man said in the movie. Project-X 'Do you like apples? Well how about them apples? Please answer some of my questions. Randy Fox

[projectx]

Project-X How old are you? Have you ever seen a real dogfight? Have you ever met a real dogfighter? Why is it so important for you to believe these rumors you keep saying? Did you know this stuff has been hashed and rehashed for years with no ending? Are you handicapped and secluded in one place and have no life? What country,state,town are you from. Do you have a College Degree? Do you have any Mayfield dogs? If so have you tested them? I saw Nigger quit. His name was Black Shine when he quit. Does that bother you? A.B. Forsaythe owned him at that time. He changed hands 6 or 7 times. He was used as a roll dog and bred three times that I know of when A.B. had him. A.B. made a deal with Jim Williams to help him get him. Jim Williams went to Earls and got a Dibo female and Black Shine. A.B. traded Dusky Jr. who was a bad hard dog for those two dogs to Jim to be delivered to A.B. Forsythe. Those two that A.B. Forsythe got were bred together and all of the pups quit. I got a male out of Black Shine and a daughter to Forsythes Jeanie and Forsythe's Dusky dog. His name was Crazy and he was a good dog. He whipped two top bred dogs but was plagued with red mange. I wish he was born today. I can cure that stuff now. His dam's mother died in a fight against Colorado. She was a game dog. All of Crazy's full brothers and sisters out of Nigger (Black Shine) quit. Blackshine (Nigger) also was bred to Forsythe's Jeanie. One of them was kept as a stud dog but the rest quit. Mayfield had several that were good game dogs. I'm guessing he bred up 10 that were top winning dogs. That is a poor average if you count all he bred. Kind of like the man said in the movie. Project-X 'Do you like apples? Well how about them apples? Please answer some of my questions. Randy Fox

Randy hows these apples BLIND BILLY IS NOT OUT OF DIBO. AND AS FOR ME TELLING YOU MY PERSONAL BUISSNESS WELL THATS FOR MY FRIENDS TO KNOW ABOUT AND YOU ARE NOT MY FRIEND .

Randy nice try at another smoke screen asking me some dumbass questions that have zero to do with the thread, and again you avoid givng an answer that makes sense.I dont expect you to agree with me even if it obvious that there is certainly a need for some explanation at the very least regarding blind billy, but you cant even bring yourself to admit that YES THERE IS SOME FACTS THAT NEED EXLPLAINING as things just dont add up, but you cant even say that , but thats fine randy just keep on denying the obvious long enough and im sure you will beileve it and get others to belive it also.

As for nigger quitting, well i would not doubt for a minute that nigger may have indeed quit when you saw him , just as i have no doubt he didnt quit when D. burton seen him rolled into tiger dan ,but what does that have to do with your friend floyd boudreuaxs ped on blind billy ?


Anyway you and the gang here otherwise known as the braintrust have had more than a week to come up with a good excuse to prove floyd was shall we say mistaken about
blind billy's ped , but still only diversions and you and the braintrust can only make silly child like posts about me, mmm i wonder if you all put your heads together you may come up with an idea that holds water, just an idea from me i wouldnt want anyone to say i dont help you when i can . Now guys keep those blinkers on im sure your eyes wouldnt be able to take the light anyway so happy new year to you all.

[Officially Retired]

Ya know ... I am tempted to close this thread, because of the insanity of the digression, but occasionally some gems do come out of it ... as with the post above ... so I will leave it up for now.

Cheers,

Jack

[ragedog10]

Yea when someone beside s Project X posts lol.