Agree with this. I think the dogs change when different people breed them. Same family, but it only takes one, maybe two breedings and the resulting dogs con be completely different. Any number of things can be factored in or left out to start the change. A guy could pass up the best performer and producer if the dog gets to 50lbs and he only likes smaller dogs. Silly. But that is all it takes to make changes. EWO
Originally Posted by swampdawg
Yes and no.
Yes, things absolutely change when a new owner starts selecting for his own individual preferences (competent or incompetent) within a line ...
But no, if they still go back to RBJ (or Jeep, or whatever), they're still RBJ (Jeep, etc.) dogs.
Jack
PS: That is also the SIGN of competence is when a breeder is focusing on NEW DOGS within the line. For example, if I still am trying to sell my dogs as "Bolio dogs" then I am an imbecile who apparently hasn't been able to breed MY OWN good dogs within the strain ... I am still looking back over my shoulder 40 years ago for a dead dog in order to have something good to say about what I have now. By contrast, even if my dogs have Bolio "in them" ... I should be able to point to dogs NOW, on my yard TODAY, that are defining themselves and worth talking about (e.g., Silverback dogs or some live, or only recently-dead, dog that I am focusing on NOW). So to me, when someone can only say my dogs are "Jeep dog" (rather than, say, SlimShady dogs--dogs that are good now), I automatically know that I am looking at a guy who's not feeding/breeding anything worth talking about on his own yard.
That is too bad. I thought you had some photos in storage. Would be nice to hang onto for posterity ...
Think I might have some more of Big John too than what's up there.
I do have a few
I actually already addressed what you said ... and agree
Have you ever heard anybody say I need some bolio for gamnes ,? No ,people have always said I need some redboy for heart (gameness ) and jocko for the mouth.
Yes, Tom Garner used to place on his ads directly, that he added Bolio because "they could dance all night."
Sonny, you're just in Redboy country, and all your neighbors have that stuff.
I have lived in California, Tennessee, Georgia, and Florida (that's coast-to-coast) ... and have "done dogs" with top dogmen from all these areas.
You might not believe this, but Redboy is not the only answer for gameness. It is not even the best answer. In fact, in some areas of N. Cali, no one even uses it.
I urge you to go back to the first comments I've made about the Redboy stock, as to what Robinson said about the Hollingsworth dogs being gamer than his Redboy dogs, and how they've steadfastly quit to my dogs, 11 out of 12 times. And the two times the pure Hollingsworth dogs got matched into RBJ dogs, both matches went over 2 hrs, and in both cases the pure RBJ dogs quit to the pure Hollingsworth.
The truth is MORE people add Bolio dogs for gameness ... because Bolio dogs (the RIGHT Bolio dogs) add gameness AND speed AND brains to dogs ... not just "stupid gameness" ... which is why they've been added to Eli/Chinaman and many other dogs.
Again, you're just in Redboy country, Sonny. The world is A LOT bigger place than just South Carolina
All over the Wild West, Bolio dogs have been kicking ass and winning more matches than Red Boy dogs ... from California, to Oklahoma, to Texas, Louisianna, etc. ... there's a lot more Bolio crosses out there than Redboy ... not to mention most of the best Redboy crosses have Buck/Hollingsworth dogs in them
Jack
Dance all night is not the same as gameness .jack I have hunted in more states than sc ,nd hunted brother .and I can ride 30 min and be in (Buck) country .i have made many of them run out of the woods when on a big boar .even hunted with a lot of fella from the mountains of ga .that hunted with jeep ,jeep rascal .jrrbj,heck it made no diff.it all ended the same most of the time ,the only real diff I see is the men behind each group of hunters .by the way jack I have been on the west coast ,San Diego ,and Portland or.beaverton or ,and tiger or ..we even used to get fogs from nettleton miss.eli dogs at that .Yes, Tom Garner used to place on his ads directly, that he added Bolio because "they could dance all night."
Sonny, you're just in Redboy country, and all your neighbors have that stuff.
I have lived in California, Tennessee, Georgia, and Florida (that's coast-to-coast) ... and have "done dogs" with top dogmen from all these areas.
You might not believe this, but Redboy is not the only answer for gameness. It is not even the best answer. In fact, in some areas of N. Cali, no one even uses it.
I urge you to go back to the first comments I've made about the Redboy stock, as to what Robinson said about the Hollingsworth dogs being gamer than his Redboy dogs, and how they've steadfastly quit to my dogs, 11 out of 12 times. And the two times the pure Hollingsworth dogs got matched into RBJ dogs, both matches went over 2 hrs, and in both cases the pure RBJ dogs quit to the pure Hollingsworth.
The truth is MORE people add Bolio dogs for gameness ... because Bolio dogs (the RIGHT Bolio dogs) add gameness AND speed AND brains to dogs ... not just "stupid gameness" ... which is why they've been added to Eli/Chinaman and many other dogs.
Again, you're just in Redboy country, Sonny. The world is A LOT bigger place than just South Carolina
All over the Wild West, Bolio dogs have been kicking ass and winning more matches than Red Boy dogs ... from California, to Oklahoma, to Texas, Louisianna, etc. ... there's a lot more Bolio crosses out there than Redboy ... not to mention most of the best Redboy crosses have Buck/Hollingsworth dogs in them
Jack
Jack just because you say so doesn't mean it is so,I have had jeep dogs ,Eli dogs and just about everything else ,but none could hunt like a well bred RBJ dog.that is what works for me ,but everybody has their flavor of catch dogs .
Dance all night is better than stupid game
I know you've hunted in a few other states, but I've LIVED in CA for 35 years ... LIVED in TN for 7 years ... LIVED in FL for 7 years ... and seen "the flavors" of different states ... and they're not all Red Boy ... and not everyone looks to it for gameness.
Ability-wise, can you even name a single RBJ dog, that's won more than 6 fights, that doesn't have Buck or Hollingsworth blood in it?
I can name MULTIPLE 7, 8, and even three 9xWs with Bolio blood in there ... not to mention absolute truckloads of 5xWs and 6xWs.
As far as pure gameness goes, for quite a long time the longest bitch win in pit bull history was a pure Bolio bitch, Hobbs' Tuffy. And even the current bitch from Big Apple has some in there.
Believe me, Bolio/Tombstone dogs are known for gameness (at least to anyone with any dog knowledge). And, like I said, not just stupid-gameness ... but gameness with brains ... and usually speed ... that keeps trying until they figure out a way to win, even if they're physically overmatched. That is FAR preferable to just a stupid dog that keeps trying to scratch.
Well, if you've had other dogs, great. Won't say otherwise.
As for all these other dogs you've beat, without names and pedigrees (like I put up there), it's hard to have a discussion.
But I am sure you're satisfied with what you have, as you've stayed with it for a long time, so credit to you for that. Very few people do that nowadays.
I have the same feeling. The truth is, both lines have been fabulous over the years.
Jack
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