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  1. #1
    I make your right about your background and understanding of certain data is diametricaly differnd then mine.. atleaths DO eat as LIGHT as posible, and as mutch pre diguested prepeard food as posible.
    Because they do, it thussend meen that ALL the nutritiend included diguest at the same speed!!!. Just QUIKER as they normaly do.. h
    Having been a body builder myself and a boxing trainer for my 3 sons (one made state ch) including an conditioner for 30 years i know al to wel, how the cooky crumbles.
    atleats like boxers body builders do eat diferend meals yes at diferend times a day.
    BUT al of them are very light and most are pre diguested meals. and taken to keep the tank of energy full!!.
    Al there food is is light and prepeard to digues fast being it pre ore afther workout meals!..
    This is also the rezen why atleaths and dogs conditioners are useing steroids!. Not just to become stronger and being able to ubsorb more nutritiens /food But and here it comes ""to recuver quiker"" and HOLD ON to energy... Due to the combination of steroids and low bulk fast diguested food.

    The body uses way LESS energy to digest food and is able to have a BETER FASTER recuvery time. saving up energy that normaly is lost diguesting it big bulk meals.
    We ALL know what happens when we eat a big meal with lots of everyting. We get TIRED and go sleep it of on the coutch as the body is working its ASS of to diguest the meal!!!!!! in such as high pace that your face wil GLOW!!. and you get actualy FISICAL TIRED and fal asleep.. wich on itself costs loads of energy as it is ENERGY LOSS and your tired during that prosses........

    The point you make about mankind not being able to digest raw meat anymore , and be able to digest milk ecetera. is not holding ground eather as that my frind is only geograficly detirmend.
    People from the far east specificly the japanese can NOT stand MILK.'
    while on the other side of the world in some parts of europe they dont have that problem . Same where the japanese and escimos eat LOTS of raw meats and fish.
    And in africa they eat dirty half rotten meat that make us lose our lives due to massif food posion and bacterial infections.. hensh the advice when you travel to ecsotic countries to get your shots against deseases and drink from water bottles only and to eat wel prepeard wel kookt food!!.....

    And yes evolution in man bred made canines is 10 fold faster then mankind. For the record the wolf and wild dogs from african are WILD!!.
    Our breed is NOT and is a creation of man kind bred for a sirtin peurpose .
    In sutch a way that it has become a sub spiecies.
    Our dogs look like dogs eat like dogs shit like dogs and pissis like dogs they iven bark like dogs .
    But thats as far as it gose. As our dogs have NOTHING more to do with what the world considers a dog and defenatly not iven remote close to a wild dog..

    Its bred AGAINST the rules and laws of nature and mutated in a animal that could and would not ever been a product of nature. It has the abilety to take more use and abuse and recuvers from trauma more so then any animal alive today.
    It has been culled and selected for a perpose in such a way , that it has sirpased al defenition of being a wild animal. and could NOT sirvive as a wild animal..

    This breed my frinds is feurther away from the wild dogs of nature then any other dog breed known to man.
    And therfor could not and should not be compeard with the wild dogs of nature>> where animals like the wolf can diguest up to 30 lbs of meat and bones and can go with out food for 2 to 3 weeks without loosing energy inbetween meals because like wild cats afther a meal they do F..kall in between but spend as little enery as posible<<<...

    compleatly diferend animals then ours..
    who have sevear condition programs where they have a increase workload for weeks and weeks at the time. sometimes up to 5/5 hours work a day.
    minimize recuvery time and maximize recuvery is KEY with the INCREASE of work .
    Which makes recuvery take longer. so it is very importend for pre diguested ore low bulk food

    Our breed is so advandst that they are able to compensate for some time while being over workt ore being sick.
    Meaning that when they havend fully recuverd from the workouts. they still go out give the performance that is askt from them and be able to hold on to that for some time.
    By the time they do show it its to late...

    From my own ecsperienses i used to work the dogs at the same time every day. and i checkt the time they came out of there doghouses and strechst out and took a piss and a shit. I wachst to see how long BEFORE they came out to show they where reddy to go for another days work. The quiker and sooner they are reddy, the more energy was in them and the more you could push them IF nesersary.

    Pushing the recuvery envelop time needed bij feeding them high bulk raw food japordis the recuvery time.. Ofcours this all depends and varius with geografic suroundings as wel like temperature/ dry ore moister air/ sea level ore in the mountains and the work scedule that dogs get. same thuse aplies for humans. and diet needs to be adjusted for diferend locations ecetera. therfor nothing in written in stone.

    what is written in stone is that a body needs to recuver as quick as posible with as less efford posible to put as less strain on the SYSTEM to uphold and hold on to as mutch energy posible.... Hensh lots and lots of pre diguested suplemends and vitamins and minerals and protiens blood buildetrs luquit Amino acids ecetera are a MUST for all the sporting mamals being it Man horse dogs to be able to compeat in the fast lane.
    As reaching that goal with raw/ fresh food ore vegies without ading these pre diguested suplemend and without taking away the BULK needed wil NOT make you able to compeat against the rest of the world. unless you have a good given/ bred talend to do so...

    Aczample do you know ore realize how many frutes and veggies you need to eat in BULK to get the same vitamins and minerals inside of you compeard to a simpel multi vita/ mineral pill!!! . and wich one is ubsorbt and diguested quiker to give a faster resuld in recuvery. how long will a atleath need to recuver eating fresh food drinking water being in the heat loosing lots of minerals and body fluids, compeard to drink a simple GATOR AID where minerals are ubsurbt and added in the sytem within MIN, Yes thats pre diguested food for the body and mind also..... Do you belive a todays atleath who ONLY eats fresh food high bulk diet is able to get all the nutritiense out of there diets NEEDED to compeat!!.. I dont think so.. we onlt have to look at our resend history where there was no pre diguested food and suplemends availeble to see what a quantem leap forward man and animal has gained in sports times and records due to that in combination with the training technics that fit these diets.................

  2. #2
    I think there are benefits to both raw or kibble and ppl have their own ways of doing both. I like raw cuz I dictate every aspect of what goes into my dogs body and it's actually costing me a little bit less for that peace of mind. I do not trust a corporation that is hell bent on a profit with the ingredients of their food, good or bad. I'm not worried about a profit, only return I care about is my dogs well being so I'm just more comfortable preparing my dogs food. they look and act great. I've seen dogs look and act great on cheap kibble too though. but I do it for peace of mind so I'm not cringing every time I put food in their bowl lol.

  3. #3
    Quote Originally Posted by Black Hand View Post
    I think there are benefits to both raw or kibble and ppl have their own ways of doing both. I like raw cuz I dictate every aspect of what goes into my dogs body and it's actually costing me a little bit less for that peace of mind. I do not trust a corporation that is hell bent on a profit with the ingredients of their food, good or bad. I'm not worried about a profit, only return I care about is my dogs well being so I'm just more comfortable preparing my dogs food. they look and act great. I've seen dogs look and act great on cheap kibble too though. but I do it for peace of mind so I'm not cringing every time I put food in their bowl lol.
    There is no "benefit" of kibble at all, except for human convenience.

    It offers ZERO nutritional advantage over what it used to be before it was cooked and destroyed.

    Jack

  4. #4
    Shouldend you be at least as worried about the raw product you buy. nothing on the lable (if there is any at al)sais ore states ore show you anything, but the color of the meat and skin(wich is uphold with artifisional products for decades).. thats a fals securety of health my frind.. the only thing you dictate is what combination of the same crap meat that is used in dry food you put in that food boul.. but if that makes you feel beter .........Unless you buy highend kibble ore meat products...PS on the dog food bags it at least states whats being used to produce the product!!. you wil not see on the chiken lable , massif amounds of antibiotics used in this bio industry chicken to make sure no diseases broke out. and used to gain more meat. as thats a known side afect of antibiotics as wel..

  5. #5
    Quote Originally Posted by Limey Kennels View Post
    Shouldend you be at least as worried about the raw product you buy. nothing on the lable (if there is any at al)sais ore states ore show you anything, but the color of the meat and skin(wich is uphold with artifisional products for decades).. thats a fals securety of health my frind.. the only thing you dictate is what combination of the same crap meat that is used in dry food you put in that food boul.. but if that makes you feel beter .........Unless you buy highend kibble ore meat products...PS on the dog food bags it at least states whats being used to produce the product!!. you wil not see on the chiken lable , massif amounds of antibiotics used in this bio industry chicken to make sure no diseases broke out. and used to gain more meat. as thats a known side afect of antibiotics as wel..
    Why don't you actually feed your dogs a top raw diet, for at least 6 months, before you type another word?

    Jack

  6. #6
    Quote Originally Posted by CA Jack View Post
    Why don't you actually feed your dogs a top raw diet, for at least 6 months, before you type another word?

    Jack
    Obviusly Jack you have not read my posts very wel. sure i know my spelling sucks but belive me i fed raw long befor you did...........
    also proove of you NOT reading my posts is that i have a problem with hormons and ANTIBIOTICS........
    and high bulk feeding and lack of balansing raw feeding diets when working dogs.. At the same time i took away some raw feeding ecsperd Myths aimed toward kibble including yours on your videos .
    Bij just simply adding water to kibble and have it soakt in . (make sure you read the texst in the video as wel https://sites.google.com/site/greenr...s/myth-busting )

    The one i forgot to mention is that dogs DO NOT get bad teeth when eating ""soakt"" kibble.in contrary being fed the dry kibble, as the STICKY saliva that the dogs pull out of there glans are not added when dogs eat soakt kibble.(just like feeding raw you dont see them licking there mouths for 5 ore 10 min because of the water contens in raw diet Hens no sticky Salive stays behind) the Saliva mixes with the dry kibble and stays in there mouth and set of on there teeth over time wich forms dental stone / tartar http://youtu.be/Cq5PnsAJiRk nothing more nor less a simple visit to the vet and its gone . if un treated then teeth rot yes. BUT al this is not a problem when soaking your kibble in water .. .. Dogs automaticly produce lots of saliva to the kibble because its to dry!!. only the dogs who do NOT crunsh the"not soakt dry Kibble and swalow it wholle do not get bad teeth!! The same problem ocurs when babies are fed milk products in there bottles when they get there last feeding during the night . it creates saliva that take on the milk sugar and stick to there teeth resulting in pre mature rotten teeth.. Is this Non sense to you to Jack. .... Ore is the pot blaming the kethel it turns black here Jack. jou acusing me of not have been feeding Raw diets (witch i have) and at the same time you have NEVER lookt at the simple way to over come a posible dry food problems because it never came into your mind . nor of others that are feeding raw diets who DID have problems with feeding dry food the wrong way.... her you go KIbble and raw euro basset hunting hounds enjoy..
    http://youtu.be/0ZexPPDLXRA http://youtu.be/AC4cACp-E2w

  7. #7
    and if the company does not have my animals best interest in mind, I'm not going to spend my money and try to think of a way to better the product when I can simply buy everything needed to feed my dogs the way I like.

    whatever works for you and your dogs though. everyone can't be the same. ol Roy, pedigree, taste of the wild, inova, meat from Walmart, the butcher, your own, your neighbors. we all have different methods and opinions. I know what works for mine cuz I've done a lot of different things.

  8. #8
    Quote Originally Posted by Limey Kennels View Post
    Shouldend you be at least as worried about the raw product you buy. nothing on the lable (if there is any at al)sais ore states ore show you anything, but the color of the meat and skin(wich is uphold with artifisional products for decades).. thats a fals securety of health my frind.. the only thing you dictate is what combination of the same crap meat that is used in dry food you put in that food boul.. but if that makes you feel beter .........Unless you buy highend kibble ore meat products...PS on the dog food bags it at least states whats being used to produce the product!!. you wil not see on the chiken lable , massif amounds of antibiotics used in this bio industry chicken to make sure no diseases broke out. and used to gain more meat. as thats a known side afect of antibiotics as wel..
    it makes me feel better cuz I have the option of feeding any kind of meat I want, commercially raised or locally raised and not sold to the masses. you do not have to buy commercially sold meat like you have to buy commercially sold dog food, you can raise your own if you like or im sure there are plenty locals with their own stock around you. I have the choice of feeding absolutely whatever kind of anything that I like, as the only gains I'm interested in are in the dogs health. absolutely nothing to do with money as I'm not hurting for money and have no more dogs than I can afford to feed however I like. that's the peace of mind. I don't have to be cheap, but it just so happens to cost about the same or a little less than high end kibble. Now I'm not against kibble, but it seems to me if there was a proper way to feed kibble the shit would be on the bag along with those good ingredients you speak of if the company had dogs best interest in mind.

  9. #9
    To whom it may concern, anabolism equals into positive nitrogen balance, if very fast digested food is provided, well, after digestion is over, and aminos are driven wherever and in whatever form they will turn, catabolism starts, so you feed again? and how much you think the body can take and use, without steroids? Obviously post workout and aminos during workout serve as anticatabolics due to body amino sparing effect.
    I had the chance to see what olympic games competitive athletes eat, lets say for lunch, nothing light in there. Certain athletes from certain sports exempted like gymnastics etc.
    As I said before, Limey has his views, I see no reason to continue in this topic, since we represent different opinions like for eg fast digestion is always better for L, while for me only after certain activities.
    Obviously I will continue following his posts, it is just that my personnal skimming of incoming info is what it is.

  10. #10
    Black hand then you are umongst the very few, who can feed a ""realy""healty raw diet!!!... consirning good quality kibble is the same as with good quality meat ""You get what you pay for"" CHEK LAST LINE INBETWEEN THE >>>>>>>>>.. Decleration..<<<<<<<




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