((( THE TRUTH ABOUT MASON'S CH HAMMER )))

[Officially Retired]

Jack, most of us are all in agreement about the breeding on Mason's Hammer, at least I am. Fix the pedigree on this site and let the die hard Patrick dog men who want the BBB dog in the pedigree. Run with what they have from the ADBA. IMHO Cheers

LOL, I can see it in the body posture, as you say, and also in the expression of face/eyes/ears.

It is very prepotent blood, and Poncho had that "stamp"--and threw it.

Bandana was a BBB dog ...

Poncho was a Hammer/Reuben dog ...

Of that I am 100% convinced.

Jack

[jawman]

Another shot on Reuben. Tn Jack for helping

J

[Officially Retired]

Wow he looks like Amazon!

[jawman]

yes indeed he does.

Amazon got 8 x Hammer in 6 gen,

[Foxman]

Through the years I have seen top dogmen who have lied about breedings. They were real lucky DNA was not used in those days. Even a famous dogman of this era had the nerve to say about some dogs he sold a man. He said. He really doesn't know how his dogs are bred. The papers I gave him are not right. He might as well stood on a box and yelled out. I'm a lier.
I worked on my family tree for years and then one day I realized a family trees means nothing. You do not know how many people behind you were the true children of the people that raised them. Whether they were taken in by a family member or were illegitimate. There was no paperwork in those days. Yet paperwork doesn't prove much. I had my DNA done and found out my heritage was not as I was told. So just doing that. This test tells me anyone's family ancestry and their dogs family ancestry is probably a joke. Randy Fox

[Officially Retired]

Through the years I have seen top dogmen who have lied about breedings. They were real lucky DNA was not used in those days. Even a famous dogman of this era had the nerve to say about some dogs he sold a man. He said. He really doesn't know how his dogs are bred. The papers I gave him are not right. He might as well stood on a box and yelled out. I'm a lier.
I worked on my family tree for years and then one day I realized a family trees means nothing. You do not know how many people behind you were the true children of the people that raised them. Whether they were taken in by a family member or were illegitimate. There was no paperwork in those days. Yet paperwork doesn't prove much. I had my DNA done and found out my heritage was not as I was told. So just doing that. This test tells me anyone's family ancestry and their dogs family ancestry is probably a joke. Randy Fox

I hear you.

However, just because one man's family tree is a lie doesn't mean another man's family tree is a lie; same as just because one famous breeder lied doesn't mean all the famous breeders lied.

Ultimately, we only have true knowledge of things we do ourselves, the rest is just "what we choose to believe."

I KNOW how my dogs are bred; I can only "choose to believe" how the dogs in my dogs' ancestry are bred.

That does not, however, mean "all beliefs are equal"

Some people have false beliefs while what others believe is actually the truth.

And only the people involved know the truth,

Jack

[Officially Retired]

Just for fun



Reuben



Amazon



Bull Boy Bob


Which black dog does Amazon look like she is descended from?


Jack

[Jrbulldogs]

deff looks like a reuben

[Blueprint]

No contest Reuben by a mile.

[Jrbulldogs]

gr ch badger
yea hammer deff was a reuben dog