It has to be performance, in which gameness is its most unique and defining component.
YES: Gameness is the essence of the breed, and dogs who show it to the extreme are deserving.
NO: The DOY title should only be about performance.
It has to be performance, in which gameness is its most unique and defining component.
I agree. Dogs are dogs.
The dogs of today are no better than the dogs of yesterday.
Jack
I too agree with this, dogs are dogs however the knowledge of how to feed, maintain, and put a dog thru a keep using vitamins, supplements etc. are far greater then the methods of the past. I wonder how much better the dogs of the past would've performed if their owners had access to the information we do todayOriginally Posted by CA Jack
I AGREE
Jack I think this totally contradicts what seems to be your breeding practices and by no means do I assume to know what you believe, but one would think, according to all you have written and posted, that you would get better dogs over time from selective breeding that what you started with.
If this is halfway accurate, then over the course of 100 years of competition and breeding (selectively) then the breed would improve.
Mouth alone is something that has improved. The dogs with the ability to end a fight in one bite are many more now than they use to be. If this is true, and it is, then other abilities have improved as well.
I will respectfully disagree yourself and Sta8541. I believe the top tier of bulldogs today are better than the top tier of times long gone. More importantly, I believe the average bulldog today is in a faster lane than the average dogs of long ago.
JMO - great topic and quality discussion.
Hey No Quarter, I can see why you'd say that, so let me clarify what I mean.
My linebreeding practices aren't making "better dogs today" than what I had yesterday ... what they're doing is creating what I like in a dog to be able to replicate itself reliably and consistently.
All of this work I have done hasn't created "way better dogs" than the best dogs I had, what isolating my gene pool has done is ensure my ability to get that kind of ability, again and again.
Freak ability is something that comes and goes.
There has never been an ace that only produces aces.
There has never been a "consistently ace" bloodline.
There are aces that come out of nowhere (shit) on a RARE occasion ... and there are aces that come out of "general excellence" on a more frequent (but still not every) occasion.
My linebreeding efforts have not created "otherworldy" dogs that are better than yesterday's dogs ... my efforts have simply created reliable and consistent excellence, that will be more dependable than from a hodgepodge of unrelated shit.
Hope this clarifies
Jack
The desire to see deep Gameness in this Honorary DOY Title is now taking the lead ...
Yes: 35
No: 34
Again, this is the closest Poll ever run here in the 3+ years we've been online ...
Jack
I disagree here...a lot of those truly greats would still be at the top of the food chain. Imagine the same men with the access to nutrition and aftercare because that is what has evolved!
Are we doing a separate poll for kennels of the year? We get a few nominations goin.
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