I understand now.

I was thinking about Ch Red Bull, not Ch Shiver specifically. I totally agree that I had nothing to do with the selection process that created Ch Shiver. She just happened to be owned by the same guy who is friends with both TFX and myself, and is linebred off of heavy Poncho dogs. The point I guess had to do with the blood, and I certainly wasn't trying to take credit from you.

Jack