((( THE TRUTH ABOUT MASON'S CH HAMMER )))

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This is a son of Blake I owned, and who is buried out here. Northern Express sent me this dog when he was 12, and I lost him when he was 13 never getting pups. A 25% Reuben dog, he exemplifies the kind of thickness and coloration you also see in Jack's line such as in the Diamond Girl segment of the family. One could argue that "thickness" comes from the Hollingsworth influence, but that is a rangier thickness than these type of dogs. You will notice the same exact posture in this dog's back as you see in the Reuben photo and the Ch Hammer photo. He is bred like this:

http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum...hp?dog_id=7593

[skipper]

Nice dog

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I suppose the other thing I should mention about the taped conversation you heard here is that on Sunday "Joey Kasim" did in fact meet the nice man Mr. Patrick at the airport. The reason Bobby chose the airport is that he knew he couldn't take a gun there and kill the nice man Mr. Patrick. So, when Pat went into the bathroom at the airport waiting for Joey, Bobby followed him in and assaulted him. However, Pat was a pretty fit guy and as the story goes, Pat actually put a little bit of hurt on Bobby and got the best of it. From what Bobby told me he felt vindicated, and Reuben got the ROM point he rightly deserved. There were previous conversations to this one also where he groomed Patrick into this crazy $10,000 deal, but this tape is the culmination of the deal, and of course the admission of the true breeding of Ch. Blaze.

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One more thing I wish to point out is in the tape, Pat is about to open up to Joey about "another dog" as a breeding possibility, presumably a Reuben dog since that was the substance of the conversation at that point.Then Pat kind of backpedals and says in effect "no reason to complicate things further". Could the other dog be Ch Hammer? I would have loved it if Joey quit his fast talking and really got him to open up further, because he was just about to say something else important.

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Exactly. I was hoping he would delve further into the other breedings involving Reuben.

I actually thought it was going to involve Ch Bobby Jr., though, as Hammer was a few years younger.

[STONEWALL]

WOW!

I bred my homebred daughter of Patrick's Homer to Patrick's Blockhead, turned out that he was sterile. I bred her the followig heat to Blockhead's littermate Patrick's Handsome. I bred to them for a few reasons. I liked their sire, El Dos Bits Cortro (a.k.a. Little Juan). I was familiar with some of his offspring before Pat bought him back. That is one of the reasons why I chose Patrick's Homer as a stud, along with the accomplishments of Homer's daughter CH. Trixie. I also liked the GR.CH. Boomerang blood in the pedigree of Handsome. Most of the dogs from Handsome X Battledora resembled CH. Hammer. Not that it matters because I got some really good bulldogs in that litter, Jack how do you know Tessy and CH. Hammer were littermates? I thought they were half siblings through Patrick's Blitz. Handsome didn't look like the typical Patrick dog. I thought it was do to the high percentage of Carver blood in him. Lol Which ever is Tessy's pedigree it is still a high percentage of Carver blood. I just know know that they look different from typical BBB / Red Baby dogs.

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Hi Stonewall,

Ch Hammer and Tessy were not littermates.

Tessy was the littermate to Wichita's Ch Blaze, the dog who was unimpeachably off of Reuben ROM

There simply was never a "Bolio x Blitz" breeding ... it was a Reuben x Blitz breeding, as the tape reflects, ergo Tessy's ADBA papers are simply wrong.

And you had the same gut feeling I had, "the Handsome dogs just look different from the typical BBB dogs," and now you know why

Cheers,

Jack

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Stonewall, I may have talked to you in the past. If you still run that Homer blood, I have 2 straws off of the Homer III dog. I would love to see it bred to the Battledora stuff. Message me if you are interested.

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I took the liberty to add the link

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Thanks. And as you see, when I blended this little dog with our core blood, it has a splash of what I believe to be common Reuben blood through the Bobby Jr. stuff.