One more thing I wish to point out is in the tape, Pat is about to open up to Joey about "another dog" as a breeding possibility, presumably a Reuben dog since that was the substance of the conversation at that point.Then Pat kind of backpedals and says in effect "no reason to complicate things further". Could the other dog be Ch Hammer? I would have loved it if Joey quit his fast talking and really got him to open up further, because he was just about to say something else important.