GARNER'S CH DYNOMITE

[skipper]

Can't agree that Frisco will go down in history as "the greatest producer."

The "most bred stud dog" in history, possibly, but greatness as a producer has to do with percentages also, as well as "best of best," not just volume of pups produced.

The most influential stud dogs of the last 20 years, that are seen in the highest-percentage of truly top-shelf, title-winning dogs would have to be Buck, Yellow, and Mayday IMO.

Jack

One very underrated producer was Baileys Bingo. This dog is behind almost all the modern Redboy dogs. Even though he wasn't a rom dog himself, he was able to produce producers and performers for generations that are still very competitive.

[Officially Retired]

One very underrated producer was Baileys Bingo. This dog is behind almost all the modern Redboy dogs. Even though he wasn't a rom dog himself, he was able to produce producers and performers for generations that are still very competitive.

I wouldn't say he was underrated, pretty much everyone knows he's important to the Redboy strain.

What it is would be yet another example about how "POR" and "ROM" don't tell the whole story. Also, some dogs produce better when linebred upon than they do as individual stud dogs. My Truman dog threw mostly curs in the 2 breedings I did with him, but when his offspring were bred together (so I doubled-up on Truman) I got all-game (or nearly-all-game) litters.

Sometimes a particular stud dog needs something built around him to really shine as a producer.

Jack

[skipper]

I wouldn't say he was underrated, pretty much everyone knows he's important to the Redboy strain.

What it is would be yet another example about how "POR" and "ROM" don't tell the whole story. Also, some dogs produce better when linebred upon than they do as individual stud dogs. My Truman dog threw mostly curs in the 2 breedings I did with him, but when his offspring were bred together (so I doubled-up on Truman) I got all-game (or nearly-all-game) litters.

Sometimes a particular stud dog needs something built around him to really shine as a producer.

Jack

What I meant that he is very seldom up there with the names of important producers of the breed. Interesting point about Truman.

[FrostyPaws]

What I meant that he is very seldom up there with the names of important producers of the breed. Interesting point about Truman.

He's seldom up there, in this day and age, because so many people think producer equates to number of champions produced, which is just complete bullshit. A dog's production record is built around the entire picture, not just a few dogs here and there throughout it's life. Bingo has been up there as an important dog in the breed for decades with people that actually care about a dog's actual production. Too much emphasis is put on the ROM list which is simply a record of champions produced. It's not an actual list built around production.

Bingo was one of the most important dogs of the last 30 years, and there simply is no denying that no matter what.

[erik440]

If anyone's looking for chinaman stuff why not get it from Mr Romeo the actual owner of chinaman

[erik440]

Plus he has reasons to be careful Mr garner he had a lot of heat on his area plus he already was recorded once I doubt he wants to be in a national show again Luke he was many years ago

[splash747]

He's seldom up there, in this day and age, because so many people think producer equates to number of champions produced, which is just complete bullshit. A dog's production record is built around the entire picture, not just a few dogs here and there throughout it's life. Bingo has been up there as an important dog in the breed for decades with people that actually care about a dog's actual production. Too much emphasis is put on the ROM list which is simply a record of champions produced. It's not an actual list built around production.

Bingo was one of the most important dogs of the last 30 years, and there simply is no denying that no matter what.

yes sir!