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I am going to go through all my old photos and add all the old, original Vise-Grip dogs ... as well as all of the original breedings ... just for fun's sake (and to load the database with good info). You and others are welcome to do the same with your own foundational breedings/dogs 
Here is one of Poncho Jr. to Jueteng:
I expected this breeding to be a real good one, combining Poncho x Mayday up top, and Poncho x Coca Cola on bottom. It produced two Pups, one a female I lost track of named Juniorita, and a male named Muscle Head. Muscle Head proved to be a ho-hum dog, nothing bad, but nothing worth talking about either. However, as a stud dog, he threw Brick House & Icon. Brick House was a very hard-mouth face/mouth dog, who when she was young would eat a bitch's teeth out, and her brother Icon was simply one of the fastest, smartest, and best head dogs I have ever owned.
However, I attribute these traits more to their mother Jezebel, who was simply the best and most athletic bitch I have ever bred.
Jack
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