Skipper you mentioned that you would rather have your pups grow up to about 18 months old then they could be serious all they want. So what happens if they don't turn out? Wouldn't that be a waste of time and money raising them just to find out they wouldnt start up? I know some will start later in their life and when they do they become some of the best. But let's say at 18 months of age, they won't start, how many more months are you willing to give them? Ive had dogs who knew exactly what to do @ 16-18 months of age who grew up doing nothing but being puppies. So yeah it'll turn out that way sometimes. But I also had pups who also didn't want to start early and later around 16-18 months never started period. So it goes both ways. That is the reason why I decided to go with my current plan, keeping hot pups(early starters) with high prey drive and continue breeding for that trait. So far I like how these are turning out.