New GRAND CHAMPION – F2F and Solo’s El Titere 5XW – Son of CH Panthro 4XW

[Officially Retired]

i understand what you mean jack, but what criteria do we go by then?

Easy. Same thing as what we do with a Champion.

For example, if your Champion wins 3 and loses his 4th, he is still called a "Champion," is he not, and he still deserves to be called as such. He does not get his title stripped!

IMO, the same logic should apply to Grand Champion. A dog that wins 5 contracted matches is still a "Grand" Champion, he just finally lost, same as the 3xW Champion is still a Ch who finally lost.

In human fighting, Sugar Ray Robinson finally lost too ... so did Ali ... so did Jack Dempsey, Marvin Hagler, Michael Spinks, etc. Yet they are all HOF all-time-great Champions.

Jack

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Easy. Same thing as what we do with a Champion.

For example, if your Champion wins 3 and loses his 4th, he is still called a "Champion," is he not, and he still deserves to be called as such. He does not get his title stripped!

IMO, the same logic should apply to Grand Champion. A dog that wins 5 contracted matches is still a "Grand" Champion, he just finally lost, same as the 3xW Champion is still a Ch who finally lost.

In human fighting, Sugar Ray Robinson finally lost too ... so did Ali ... so did Jack Dempsey, Marvin Hagler, Michael Spinks, etc. Yet they are all HOF all-time-great Champions.

Jack

Those men you listed are ex-champions not champions. They lost their titles which is no different than a Grand Champion losing his title after a loss. Maybe the boxing analogy would make sense if you were arguing that champions should lose a title if they lose but I'm not sure how it works when applied to saying a Grand Champion shouldn't lose his. Most sports you are not given a title in perpetuity. In boxing you must defend your title, if someone beats you you become a former champion. In team sports you must make it back to the finals and defend or your team becomes former champs. HOF has nothing to do with it as losing one doesn't stop a dog from being considered HOF worthy. Dogs really don't even have to win to be considered worthy of HOF. Sporting HOF is based on your past accomplishments. Championships are more an indication of your current.
status.

I like how a lot of the European dog men do it by listing their dogs as Ex-Grand Champions. Which is becoming a title all on it's own in a way.

To be honest I don't have an issue with it one way or the other. But I do see valid points on both sides of the argument. Still kinda comes down to putting too much faith in titles. Titles don't always speak to the depths of a given career.

[Officially Retired]

Those men you listed are ex-champions not champions. They lost their titles which is no different than a Grand Champion losing his title after a loss. Maybe the boxing analogy would make sense if you were arguing that champions should lose a title if they lose but I'm not sure how it works when applied to saying a Grand Champion shouldn't lose his. Most sports you are not given a title in perpetuity. In boxing you must defend your title, if someone beats you you become a former champion. In team sports you must make it back to the finals and defend or your team becomes former champs. HOF has nothing to do with it as losing one doesn't stop a dog from being considered HOF worthy. Dogs really don't even have to win to be considered worthy of HOF. Sporting HOF is based on your past accomplishments. Championships are more an indication of your current.
status.

I like how a lot of the European dog men do it by listing their dogs as Ex-Grand Champions. Which is becoming a title all on it's own in a way.

To be honest I don't have an issue with it one way or the other. But I do see valid points on both sides of the argument. Still kinda comes down to putting too much faith in titles. Titles don't always speak to the depths of a given career.

Good post and rebuttal.

[Nextlevel]

Good post and rebuttal.

They lose their belt not their title once a world champion always a world champion no matter how many times they lose......