Taken as such Jack. Believe me, I know my short comings on this techno stuff. R2L - the "big guy" isnt' all that big at all. In my opinion, he's a hair heavy right now, he's 9 so he don't burn the calories he once did and he's still only 50lbs. Dude was real fast and very deliberate in his day. Damn good dog. Very typical Hailstone dog in the ways Hailstone dogs were known for.