Quote Originally Posted by ScratchAndGO View Post
Jack,
I feel you obviously have a good eye when it comes to selecting stock to implement into your program. I also feel it is a lot harder than what people think when it comes time to select one who you feel is worthy of feeding for the next couple years as it matures before determining the dogs axle worthiness. I guess I will start by leaving this post open ended so you can take it the direction you would like and then I will add some more specific questions.
Question one:::
This is an interesting topic actually, because I think everyone wants to be able to magically "know" which are going to be the best pups in their litters. However, when you're a breeder, and while individual superiority is a reality, the real goal should be to produce a litter where every pup is a standout in some way (or, better yet, in the same way you've bred for). In fact, it could properly be said that the easier it is to choose which pup you want from the litter, the worse your breeding is (because the majority are undesirable), whereas the harder it is to decide which pup is best in the litter, the better your overall breeding is (because each littermate stands out in its own way--or, better still, in the same key way).

I mean, after all, if we're breeding for specific traits, the more pups that display the "stamp" of these traits the better the overall litter is ... while the fewer pups that display this "stamp" the more you missed the bullseye (or even the whole target) in your breeding effort.



Quote Originally Posted by ScratchAndGO View Post
Jack,
Question one:::
What is the VERY FIRST thing you look for/at in a puppy? How would you make your selection if you went to someone to buy a pup? Is their one thing that sticks out in your mind that you can share with the rest of us to give us something to think about and help develop a more sound selection process?
Well, I am glad you gave me license to take this post in the direction I want, because the first things I look for (soundness/movement) weren't even on your list ... so I took the liberty of adding them

IMO, soundness/vigor is different from mere "conformation." For example, you can have a dog with a fine silhouette, and by that I mean pleasing lines, but it just doesn't *BEAM* with vitality or vigor. This is a BRUTAL business we're in, and so to prevail in what may be a 1-, 2-, or 3-hour contest that MF has to have some pizzazz to his ass. He has got to be be FULL OF LIFE, VIGOROUS. And the other thing he needs to do right is move with speed, balance, and precision.

So, to me, it is impossible to pick "just one" thing I look for ... instead, I will say that the first things I look for are soundness/vigor and the way the pup moves. After that, it is intelligence and alertness.



Quote Originally Posted by ScratchAndGO View Post
Jack,
I realize it is usually a gamble with pups but with a good eye and selection protocol I think you have a better chance at getting something worth feeding.
It's only a "gamble" if you don't know what you're doing ... because if you really do have a good eye and selection protocol, why then you're stacking the deck (or counting cards) aren't you?



Quote Originally Posted by ScratchAndGO View Post
Jack,
I am so glad I am not just stuck with picking a pup and living with my decision. I have a few that I am able to pull from. Honestly up to this point I have just gotten lucky and got some good ones. As soon as I think I know what im doing my mind has a tendency to get in the way.
Well here again though, the better your breeding, the more pups in the litter you'll see having the traits you want ... whereas the worse the breeding, the less pups you'll see exhibiting the traits that you want. The best breedings are those where you can "pick any pup" and have a good shot at getting a damned good bulldog ... whereas the more only "one" pup stands out as a vigorous athlete, while the rest are sulled-up discards (or slow, lumbering oafs), the lousier the breeding is as a whole. (IMO, most litters are full of slow, unathletic slugs.)



Quote Originally Posted by ScratchAndGO View Post
Jack,
LoL I need to implement a protocol that keeps most of my emotional criteria out of the equation.
What you need to do is determine what you want most out of your dogs, establish a pattern or "signs" in the dogs of your family which carry these traits, and then learn to "see" these signs (or "stamps") in your pups. However, the only way to be able to do this is with a family breeding program ... no way in hell can a person do this if he's "crossing this to that" all the time ...



Quote Originally Posted by ScratchAndGO View Post
Jack,

Any and all feedback from everyone welcome. Please share your personal experiences as to successes and failures and why you think how you selected made a difference.
Thanks in advance to all who share.
Eric
There's mine

Jack