Thnx for your input evo. I don't doubt for a second that much of their quality's comes from Awesome dolly. Dunder was a super solid dog from one of the gamest frisco strains there is. Miss francess is a serious bitch. Probably one the most devastating bitches I've seen. The point is,there are solid dogs behind this breeding. But I'm with you. I really like the blood that comes with the dolly bitch.