Mind of the breeder vs Mind of the competitor

[Pistol]

Only a select few kennels still breed and show their own stock these days, an art that has long been forgotten. Most of today's dogmen are hit & miss because they are unable to focus on one group of foundation stock, study their backgrounds, and then pull the best from it. Today's dogmen want a good dog NOW over having many good dogs later. They will buy, sell, and trade dogs in hopes of that good one landing in their lap that will earn them some respect; but then what? That dog loses, dies, or produces like crap and your back where you started from, and that's looking for another dog. Stick to a line and study the traits of the animals behind the ones you keep, know what to look for in your animals so you know what dogs you are throwing back on in hopes of recreation. Dogmen these days are too hard-headed and carry around that know-it-attitude, yet they are still always "looking" for new blood or dogs to show because the ones they are selling aren't worth the collars they are wearing. This is no ones fault but your own. Choose a line, learn it, and pull the good from it and you will have bulldogs for a lifetime.

Here is an example: You know a guy with a yard full of Boyles type dogs and they are all junk, so you being the cocky young know-it-all you are run and tell the world that Boyles dogs are junk because you have seen 5 quit on your pal's yard. Next thing you know you are in an arguement with a man who has a yard full of bulldogs from that same line because he had patience and was able to study, breed, raise, cull, and pull the best possible dogs he could from that strain of bulldogs. Like the famous quote from the movie "Colors" when the 2 bull were on a hill watching the cows graze in the pasture, and the baby bull said to his dad "Hey dad, lets run down the hill and f*#k one of those cows" and the dad says "No son, lets walk down and f*@k em all". I have much respect to the kennels who are still showing animals that they have bred and were able to continue with the same blood they have ran for years. Anyone can breed 2 animals together and come up with a bulldog, and some dogs can flat out just produce, but it takes a special person to consistanly produce bulldogs year after year using different dogs from the same blood. When I see a man with a good producing dog I tell him "this is great that you are able to show all your dog's sons and daughters, but will you still be able to show dogs when that same stud dog is dead and gone?"

Pistol,

[Frank43]

I’m glad this got bumped. I think the two are separate skills. Sometimes they are present in one person. Honestly only now am I starting to see that you have to have some kind of team. I think like a breeder. For some reason some high level people allowed me to get high quality dogs even when I couldn’t afford them. I think they knew that the dogs would have a good life. Now fortuitously a good kennel gave me access to his dogs. They were actually a breeding pair. I spent so much time living with and working with the pair. I know them. I know who has brains, who is skittish. Who is super aggressive and likely to run through a brick wall if I asked him. I read this board and thought of a dog ha my name what would I want them to be known for. I read pat Patrick’s article and thought for weeks about the dogs I wanted. And what i valued. Gameness, work ethic, durability. I say work ethic. I believe a man with a small yard that has two or three brood males and females and 3-4 prospects should keep his dogs in shape at all times. I think you can beat most people by feeding and dog right, exercising him so he’s always strong at his weight, smart etc. I found a male that threw a 230 dog. I still think this stud was under appreciated and he was lost. I have a dog off him bred to a waccamaw dog. From rumors wacc doesn’t tolerate game plugs and wants some Dibo traits in his dogs. Bred him to the female that has more prey drive and smarts only works one way. Got the litter and raised it in the house. I know temperaments of the pups. I selected away from shy traits. I found hardest worker with a stable temperament. And a smart fast athletic female. I think the female is the mother and father in one dog. The brothers and sisters are around me. Maybe it isn’t true but I think you can see parts of a pups personality and the adult may not stray far from it. I’m planning a father daughter and a brother sister. They would say don’t inbreed. I disagree. The coefficient of inbreeding was 4%. Breeding the father to daughter hopefully would have a high percentage of starters, her smaller size and brains and work ethic. Good confirmation on both. Good lungs. They should have a good chance. The brother sister has the potential for more culls. We don’t breed for confirmation, but as we talked before confirmation and structure relates to performance. Rthe male is a little narrow in the backend. He can really close his jaws at a young age, he’s more the slow starter and smart. He’s the quiet guy at the table bully regrets picking on. “ Damn he snapped and put him in the hospital.” I prepared for the brother sister to make the backend worse in some pups. If I have to cull then I’ll pray over them and give them a good send off. I have a dog in my mind I’m trying to build. I see him. I know his traits. I have to keep mixing and matching ingredients in a soup until I can mass produce him. I think this way of thought is opposite to the matcher. For instance people around me do like the foundation I have. They were looking at buying a pup with more of the same blood. Me I think like yard genetics. “Now I’m planning the brother and sister and father daughter. I think we have some run through walls types. I need to find some talent to add to the mix. Maybe breed back to that stud at a later date. Most marchers think like that. I can think like the matcher too. One of the first pups is a straight ahead bulldog. I’m like I wouldn’t train him like my new foundation female. I lean towards the breeder mindset but I think like I’m training my warrior for battle and what skills they need and how I like to train. I still need to see if we can get that talent and bring it into my hard dogs. Two different mindsets.

Only a select few kennels still breed and show their own stock these days, an art that has long been forgotten. Most of today's dogmen are hit & miss because they are unable to focus on one group of foundation stock, study their backgrounds, and then pull the best from it. Today's dogmen want a good dog NOW over having many good dogs later. They will buy, sell, and trade dogs in hopes of that good one landing in their lap that will earn them some respect; but then what? That dog loses, dies, or produces like crap and your back where you started from, and that's looking for another dog. Stick to a line and study the traits of the animals behind the ones you keep, know what to look for in your animals so you know what dogs you are throwing back on in hopes of recreation. Dogmen these days are too hard-headed and carry around that know-it-attitude, yet they are still always "looking" for new blood or dogs to show because the ones they are selling aren't worth the collars they are wearing. This is no ones fault but your own. Choose a line, learn it, and pull the good from it and you will have bulldogs for a lifetime.

Here is an example: You know a guy with a yard full of Boyles type dogs and they are all junk, so you being the cocky young know-it-all you are run and tell the world that Boyles dogs are junk because you have seen 5 quit on your pal's yard. Next thing you know you are in an arguement with a man who has a yard full of bulldogs from that same line because he had patience and was able to study, breed, raise, cull, and pull the best possible dogs he could from that strain of bulldogs. Like the famous quote from the movie "Colors" when the 2 bull were on a hill watching the cows graze in the pasture, and the baby bull said to his dad "Hey dad, lets run down the hill and f*#k one of those cows" and the dad says "No son, lets walk down and f*@k em all". I have much respect to the kennels who are still showing animals that they have bred and were able to continue with the same blood they have ran for years. Anyone can breed 2 animals together and come up with a bulldog, and some dogs can flat out just produce, but it takes a special person to consistanly produce bulldogs year after year using different dogs from the same blood. When I see a man with a good producing dog I tell him "this is great that you are able to show all your dog's sons and daughters, but will you still be able to show dogs when that same stud dog is dead and gone?"

Pistol,

[Frank43]

Only a select few kennels still breed and show their own stock these days, an art that has long been forgotten. Most of today's dogmen are hit & miss because they are unable to focus on one group of foundation stock, study their backgrounds, and then pull the best from it. Today's dogmen want a good dog NOW over having many good dogs later. They will buy, sell, and trade dogs in hopes of that good one landing in their lap that will earn them some respect; but then what? That dog loses, dies, or produces like crap and your back where you started from, and that's looking for another dog. Stick to a line and study the traits of the animals behind the ones you keep, know what to look for in your animals so you know what dogs you are throwing back on in hopes of recreation. Dogmen these days are too hard-headed and carry around that know-it-attitude, yet they are still always "looking" for new blood or dogs to show because the ones they are selling aren't worth the collars they are wearing. This is no ones fault but your own. Choose a line, learn it, and pull the good from it and you will have bulldogs for a lifetime.

Here is an example: You know a guy with a yard full of Boyles type dogs and they are all junk, so you being the cocky young know-it-all you are run and tell the world that Boyles dogs are junk because you have seen 5 quit on your pal's yard. Next thing you know you are in an arguement with a man who has a yard full of bulldogs from that same line because he had patience and was able to study, breed, raise, cull, and pull the best possible dogs he could from that strain of bulldogs. Like the famous quote from the movie "Colors" when the 2 bull were on a hill watching the cows graze in the pasture, and the baby bull said to his dad "Hey dad, lets run down the hill and f*#k one of those cows" and the dad says "No son, lets walk down and f*@k em all". I have much respect to the kennels who are still showing animals that they have bred and were able to continue with the same blood they have ran for years. Anyone can breed 2 animals together and come up with a bulldog, and some dogs can flat out just produce, but it takes a special person to consistanly produce bulldogs year after year using different dogs from the same blood. When I see a man with a good producing dog I tell him "this is great that you are able to show all your dog's sons and daughters, but will you still be able to show dogs when that same stud dog is dead and gone?"

Pistol,

Bump

[Frank43]

Only a select few kennels still breed and show their own stock these days, an art that has long been forgotten. Most of today's dogmen are hit & miss because they are unable to focus on one group of foundation stock, study their backgrounds, and then pull the best from it. Today's dogmen want a good dog NOW over having many good dogs later. They will buy, sell, and trade dogs in hopes of that good one landing in their lap that will earn them some respect; but then what? That dog loses, dies, or produces like crap and your back where you started from, and that's looking for another dog. Stick to a line and study the traits of the animals behind the ones you keep, know what to look for in your animals so you know what dogs you are throwing back on in hopes of recreation. Dogmen these days are too hard-headed and carry around that know-it-attitude, yet they are still always "looking" for new blood or dogs to show because the ones they are selling aren't worth the collars they are wearing. This is no ones fault but your own. Choose a line, learn it, and pull the good from it and you will have bulldogs for a lifetime.

Here is an example: You know a guy with a yard full of Boyles type dogs and they are all junk, so you being the cocky young know-it-all you are run and tell the world that Boyles dogs are junk because you have seen 5 quit on your pal's yard. Next thing you know you are in an arguement with a man who has a yard full of bulldogs from that same line because he had patience and was able to study, breed, raise, cull, and pull the best possible dogs he could from that strain of bulldogs. Like the famous quote from the movie "Colors" when the 2 bull were on a hill watching the cows graze in the pasture, and the baby bull said to his dad "Hey dad, lets run down the hill and f*#k one of those cows" and the dad says "No son, lets walk down and f*@k em all". I have much respect to the kennels who are still showing animals that they have bred and were able to continue with the same blood they have ran for years. Anyone can breed 2 animals together and come up with a bulldog, and some dogs can flat out just produce, but it takes a special person to consistanly produce bulldogs year after year using different dogs from the same blood. When I see a man with a good producing dog I tell him "this is great that you are able to show all your dog's sons and daughters, but will you still be able to show dogs when that same stud dog is dead and gone?"

Pistol,

Most of today's dogmen are hit & miss because they are unable to focus on one group of foundation stock, study their backgrounds, and then pull the best from it. Today's dogmen want a good dog NOW over having many good dogs later. They will buy, sell, and trade dogs in hopes of that good one landing in their lap that will earn them some respect; but then what? That dog loses, dies, or produces like crap and your back where you started from, and that's looking for another dog. Stick to a line and study the traits of the animals behind the ones you keep, know what to look for in your animals so you know what dogs you are throwing back on in hopes of recreation.

Facts

[UrbanDogman]

Most of today's dogmen are hit & miss because they are unable to focus on one group of foundation stock, study their backgrounds, and then pull the best from it. Today's dogmen want a good dog NOW over having many good dogs later. They will buy, sell, and trade dogs in hopes of that good one landing in their lap that will earn them some respect; but then what? That dog loses, dies, or produces like crap and your back where you started from, and that's looking for another dog. Stick to a line and study the traits of the animals behind the ones you keep, know what to look for in your animals so you know what dogs you are throwing back on in hopes of recreation.

Facts

I would bet the house you have never met a true dogman. Your a hobby breeder, an armchair pet bull enthusast who may...may have a couple of pet pulls in his backyard.

You're also a real life Stephen from D'Jango

https://youtu.be/VPTVF3r2yB8

[Frank43]

Stephen from jango. That's actually funny. I appreciate a good joke. I guess this is where I'm supposed to name drop. I have known plenty. With a better record than you. Thanks for the joke. It's good when trolls come out. This is you. https://youtu.be/98nQ_m8013M