Were them pure Boyles dogs..

[reservoirdogs]

Great posts fellas. Did Chino stop when he lost against Hardcore and GBK ? Why did Pandi and Nine Milli never meet ?
Overhere as well I've been very disappointed by the Reno stuff. Very low percentage stuff. The Bull stuff (Buck x QOH ) is throwing much better percentages. The Ernie blood ( Right Hand Man x Twiggy ) was much gamer as well : http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/pu ... _id=287606. It even helped the Ch Reno blood to be decent and competitive. Thanks for sharing your experience.
TFX what has been your experience with both the Chino blood and the Comanche stuff ?
The Flash blood overhere coming from G. Bell did pretty well and showed some serious bottom end : http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/pu ... _id=146229

[TFX]

We never had anything from Chino out here, but my good friend bought his belly brother for some pretty good coin. He went for a while having his way the whole time and quit on top. The CH Comanche dogs did not work out so well, and my friend bought at least $20,000 worth of them bred every which way you can think of. PCK had some good stuff come through his Apache bitch who was a Comanche daughter, but her mother Gogo (2X) was an absolutely fantastic animal, so it is really no surprise. My same friend ended up buying Gogo later for $3,500 and we mated her with Homer II. Those were also some excellent dogs. PCK took that Apache blood to Eli and Redboy sires and got some good ones everytime. I think he also bred it back to the Comanche stuff, but I didn't see any of those, so I have no comment. We even tried breeding Homer II and Homer III to the Comanche daughters, and the results were less than satisfying overall, with very low percentages. The Sporty dog (1Xw 1XL-G) was the one exception I can think of. Homer II produced very well to almost everything else he was bred to. I hate to sound like a hater, but my firsthand experience with that stuff 15 years ago was beyond disappointing. Someone may have mined some gold out of it and worked it into a new package today, you just never know. As Stone City basically said, a case can be made for the good and bad attributes of almost any line. Those dozens and dozens of heavy Boyles dogs my friend bought just gave me the real world lesson that A) Spending big money on dogs still doesn't mean you will get good ones, and B) My old home bred dogs were light years better than all of that "popular" Boyles stuff. We were able to infuse the best segment of what he obtained from that bloodline, and thus the Red Johnny influence that is in my dogs still to this day.

[SwampDweller]

We never had anything from Chino out here, but my good friend bought his belly brother for some pretty good coin. He went for a while having his way the whole time and quit on top. The CH Comanche dogs did not work out so well, and my friend bought at least $20,000 worth of them bred every which way you can think of. PCK had some good stuff come through his Apache bitch who was a Comanche daughter, but her mother Gogo (2X) was an absolutely fantastic animal, so it is really no surprise. My same friend ended up buying Gogo later for $3,500 and we mated her with Homer II. Those were also some excellent dogs. PCK took that Apache blood to Eli and Redboy sires and got some good ones everytime. I think he also bred it back to the Comanche stuff, but I didn't see any of those, so I have no comment. We even tried breeding Homer II and Homer III to the Comanche daughters, and the results were less than satisfying overall, with very low percentages. The Sporty dog (1Xw 1XL-G) was the one exception I can think of. Homer II produced very well to almost everything else he was bred to. I hate to sound like a hater, but my firsthand experience with that stuff 15 years ago was beyond disappointing. Someone may have mined some gold out of it and worked it into a new package today, you just never know. As Stone City basically said, a case can be made for the good and bad attributes of almost any line. Those dozens and dozens of heavy Boyles dogs my friend bought just gave me the real world lesson that A) Spending big money on dogs still doesn't mean you will get good ones, and B) My old home bred dogs were light years better than all of that "popular" Boyles stuff. We were able to infuse the best segment of what he obtained from that bloodline, and thus the Red Johnny influence that is in my dogs still to this day.

I do agree with you on the CH. COMANCHE stuff; the percentages I got from it weren't the best, but I did have 2 that were pretty dam good; one was my NASH dog, a 2xw-1xl (lost a brtual, fast pace match-up to CH. ZEUS in :47minutes) and HIT MAN 1xw. NASH was off CH. COMANCHE bred to an ALLIGATOR/MAVERICK bitch, and HIT MAN was off a son of CH. COMANCHE bred to that same ALLIGATOR/MAVERICK bitch. I saw the ROCIO bitch that Backstreet Truez had, and she was decent, but not a match dog; although, she did produce 2-champions, 1-2xw, and 2-1xw's. Her best offspring in my opinion were CH. SPIDER-MAN & CHARLIE MANSON (1xw-1xl-lost to CH. TRACKER).

[SwampDweller]

We never had anything from Chino out here, but my good friend bought his belly brother for some pretty good coin. He went for a while having his way the whole time and quit on top. The CH Comanche dogs did not work out so well, and my friend bought at least $20,000 worth of them bred every which way you can think of. PCK had some good stuff come through his Apache bitch who was a Comanche daughter, but her mother Gogo (2X) was an absolutely fantastic animal, so it is really no surprise. My same friend ended up buying Gogo later for $3,500 and we mated her with Homer II. Those were also some excellent dogs. PCK took that Apache blood to Eli and Redboy sires and got some good ones everytime. I think he also bred it back to the Comanche stuff, but I didn't see any of those, so I have no comment. We even tried breeding Homer II and Homer III to the Comanche daughters, and the results were less than satisfying overall, with very low percentages. The Sporty dog (1Xw 1XL-G) was the one exception I can think of. Homer II produced very well to almost everything else he was bred to. I hate to sound like a hater, but my firsthand experience with that stuff 15 years ago was beyond disappointing. Someone may have mined some gold out of it and worked it into a new package today, you just never know. As Stone City basically said, a case can be made for the good and bad attributes of almost any line. Those dozens and dozens of heavy Boyles dogs my friend bought just gave me the real world lesson that A) Spending big money on dogs still doesn't mean you will get good ones, and B) My old home bred dogs were light years better than all of that "popular" Boyles stuff. We were able to infuse the best segment of what he obtained from that bloodline, and thus the Red Johnny influence that is in my dogs still to this day.

CH. CHINO dogs can get the job done quickly, and in impressive fashion! Thats why I love them, and have quite a few of them. Can't speak on his littermate brother, but the dogs we've had off & down from CH. CHINO worked well. Of course, not all of them will make it to the box, but more will than not. But thats just my take on the line; what I think is an ACE, some may think is a hard mouth cur. Most of the fanciers that run this line of dogs, do so because of their biting ability and intensity; trying to win big.... and fast. CH. CHINO himself, produced a lot more winning dogs than the average; CH. PANDI 4xw, CH. HEFFA 3xw, CH. PIE FACE 4xw, CH. CONRAD 3xw, GOOBER 2xw, MAX 1xw, BULL 1xw, etc., etc. And again, the list is a bit longer than I have time to post; but he did put'em on the ground. And thats not even taking into account of all the winners down from him.

[CitySwamp]

Swampdweller, Rocio is that the bitch that lost twice? I think quit second time? A talented hound but don't think she was right after the one worked on her face. I know I'm told Spiderman had all the heart shame he passed so soon, I think he could of been good producer for that line

[SwampDweller]

Swampdweller, Rocio is that the bitch that lost twice? I think quit second time? A talented hound but don't think she was right after the one worked on her face. I know I'm told Spiderman had all the heart shame he passed so soon, I think he could of been good producer for that line

Yes, ROCIO stopped in 1:41; not twice though..... Also, CH. SPIDER-MAN was a real good dog, to say the least! Tha 504 Boyz had his littermate brother, and he was a good one as well, and produced more of the same, although, most of those dogs were lost during Hurricane Katrina.

[drz]

I have to agree with the thoughts on the stuff down from Comanche. Talented dogs and tough to put behind but they seem to lack heart when they can't have their way. I credited that more with the Mr. Rogers influence than the Tippi but 6 of one half dozen of the other I suppose. That being said I wonder when you all discuss percentages which percentages are you actually discussing? Game dogs in a litter? Show quality dogs in a litter? Winners in a litter? Championship level dogs in a litter? Because not all lines inspire the same type of philosophies from their adherents.

[drz]

Great posts fellas. Did Chino stop when he lost against Hardcore and GBK ? Why did Pandi and Nine Milli never meet ?
Overhere as well I've been very disappointed by the Reno stuff. Very low percentage stuff. The Bull stuff (Buck x QOH ) is throwing much better percentages. The Ernie blood ( Right Hand Man x Twiggy ) was much gamer as well : http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/pu ... _id=287606. It even helped the Ch Reno blood to be decent and competitive. Thanks for sharing your experience.
TFX what has been your experience with both the Chino blood and the Comanche stuff ?
The Flash blood overhere coming from G. Bell did pretty well and showed some serious bottom end : http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/pu ... _id=146229

Good to see you around Reservoir. Very nice stuff you posted there.



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[turkd3000]

I'm a fan of the blood and was wandering were there any good stories out there on him?

[turkd3000]

http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com...&dog_id=299635
not pure boyles but the best i ever had