I think this was in response to my question. When i say shy late starting I'm saying it with respect to the grandfather that I owned. This dogs mother was similar, but was more smart and reserved, super stubborn. A day came and a light switch clicked on. She is still smart and has almost human judgement. This son of hers is going to be strong as an ox but has his mothers temprament. If his day comes and he starts he will be a monster with his mothers style and his fathers style. I take great care with what I was given. Thats why I see the potential in the dog and don't see it as, "he's a cold dog. put a bullet in him." He's double bred on his mother. If the trait comes out he should be able to pass it. I hear you on wasting time. I know when I have something worth building on. I think I understand what i have. I'm looking for some blood that is an out that can make a better dog. I have six dogs. Three males. three females. Each one is a brick that offers something different. They are relatated and I need to find some "air" to keep traits and vigor. Cottingham dogs and rocky dogs are an option. Theres a half snooty red pirate dog I was looking at. I'm a perfectionist when I say shy this isn't the tail tuck run from you on the chain shy. This is the sits and comes to you slowly not aggressive, but stand offish personality like his mother. She's they type to kill a dog in an accident then play with a cat later that day. I have respect for people and their work and do not put dogs into hands I don't trust.