This is an incredible thread. Definitely worth re-reading. I'm sorry about the fireworks, though: both Sonny & Jack were & are great dogmen, & neophytes (like me) can sure learn tons from them, even on here. The tragic thing is I truly believe it all started over a misunderstanding between them about what was being claimed! As EWO stated, the title can read a couple different ways, & maybe they were looking past each other, I don't know. I do know poor EWO, one of the finest contributors on this site imo, very informative, got caught up in the backwash & got the boot for awhile...crazy!

In any case, lotta good information here regardless of the side roads, lots to think about, & thanks to everybody that contributed.