Some great replys guys great food for taught thanks much appreciated, I may have to move house soon so ill have to say bye bye to my jenny ,I always liked my emill for warm ups and cool downs and pre keeping dogs, but always wonder how effective it would be soley used from start to finish ,Its something ill have to come to grips with as a move is inivitable with the state of the economy poxy bankers ,Anyway thank god we have these great dogs to consume the space in our brain that would other wise be used for worrying LOL, If anyone has some emill keeps that the would like to post or pm id love to study them and try them out THANKS IN ADVANCE