I like the breeding on the Carter's Flame. Like you said before we can talk about pedigrees forever.

I bred to LadyBird's brother, Bobby. (when BH had them both). I bred to him not because of his posted pedigree (Straight Red Boy) but for two other reasons, one, primarily for what he did in the box and two, I am of the belief that they are Vernon Jackson dogs on the top.

In your pedigrees that go back to the Jackson dogs that made Jocko, those were some of the dog I cut my teeth on many years ago as a young kid.

Mr. Holland bought several Jackson dogs along the time the Cadillac II dog was producing. We had dogs down from those dogs (being Red Boy fans) and they crossed well. Then all of a sudden the Holland dogs from Cadillac II were rough, and durable and thick hided with a certain Jocko look to them.

The two that BH had were like that as that litter did not fit in with the other straight Holland/Cadillac II dogs.

We bred a Mims Red Boy/Snooty/Molly Bee bitch to him and got a couple really nice ones.

When BH hit that bump in the road Bobby and Ladybird were going to come here until he got to a better place. He got what he wanted for Bobby and I never heard from Ladybird until you posted some peds a few years back.

Good family of dogs. I was happy with what I got down out of Bobby. He threw us a real nice bitch. I wish I had bred to him a couple more times.

EWO