I find all these things interesting. I wouldn't doubt that they are true. There is another breeder I wouldn't mind knowing about. He name was V whitley. He had what looks like redboy/medilin outlaw crosses and some yellow john added in. The reason I think that the story is true. Is the climate in some of these areas and mentality. There is a high focus on mouth winning fast, best to best breeding. True line breeding is built on different things. Gameness being one. It requires a long term view. Most in some of these places have little respect for a dog that will scratch to its own death. A dead dog is just a dead dog. Plus most people don't want to pick that dog up. "that mf lost my money. He need to be punished." Everybody isn't like this but the person who is will be a internal independent thinker. His dogs will be more valuable as he makes better breeding decisions. You can't say how good your dogs are so you have to stay under the radar. maybe you can find someone with access to the big shows to see how your stock does. If it wins you may never get credit. He may never give up his source of good dogs. You loose credit and maybe history forgets these people. They are probably behind a lot of good dogs. Plus the day that the game became illegal you add the cops to the mix. You better stay real low key and not piss off someone who doesn't want you there in the first place, or peddle dogs to their competition. I can think of Roadblock and gr ch joey. He found legal problems when he started flooding the market with joey dogs. Crebbs was probably a bad ass. Like a black chavis. I'd like to know more about v. whitley. he looks like a civil engineer in the picture. His kennels seem well built and just by blood it looks like he like his dogs on the game side. they seem close to cottingham dogs. Is there any info on him? he seems like an honest competitor by the picture and not the shit talking loud mouth I can't stand. The fact that his kennel set up is so well done i would bet his dogs ate well, got picked up when they needed to. Something that a lot of loud mouth shit talkers don't do.