Not much on Mr. Crebbs. He was long before my time.

The guy that turned me onto dogs as kid was friends with Bass and Marlowe. He and Bass were a lot alike. Blowhards/border line bullies, but like most, picked the targets.

Red Boy has about four or five pedigrees floating around and maybe that many more theories.

I was taught to go the way of the Bullet dogs when I was younger but then over the years some things changed.

I was told the story of Mr. Calvin and his deep game line of dogs. He drug them hard and when they won it was pretty much being game and durable, not much conditioning, mostly heart. I was told of the way he checked his dogs and it sounded a bit much for me.

CYJ knew Mr. Teal back then and even then, there were a number of stories how Red Boy came to fruition.

I was told a story some years back about Mr. Teal getting the dog that ended up being Red Boy from an old black man. He had put together a line of dogs that would scratch to a sign post, over and over, all nite if need be. His name was Mr. Calvin.

Then maybe ten years ago I was with an older fellow who had dogs off of Red Boy and Cleo, owned a litter mate to Yellow John, and pretty much brought the Red Boy strain to our neck of the woods in NC way back when. Without asking or hinting he let in on a story about Mr. Teal and a restaurant and an old black man who could not read nor write but had amassed dogs that the more popular dog men (white) were getting dogs from. They were deep game, real durable, thick hided dogs that would simply stay, no matter. As he told the story he said Mr. Crebbs.

I had heard the story from a different person and come to find out Calvin was his first name and Crebbs was his last. Same person, same story, different story tellers.

Both men said a lot of the dogs that were Stidham bred were dogs back and forth from Mr. Crebbs yard, as well as some of the dogs of Cable and Teal breedings.

Like most stories around a dog's origin I lead off or end up with, I can't verify any of it, and if it is a lie, 'he' told it and I am indeed guilty of repeating it.

Where Mr. Crebbs's dogs came from or where they went to and who bred what and bred under what name. That is far beyond me.

Both story tellers said they saw Mr. Crebbs go get a dog off the chain that had been hammered really hard the night before. It was cold and the dog was banged up, sore, and pretty much pulled form the house. He was faced to another dog. If he scratched he was a bulldog.

Again, both guys told stories that were pretty much the same, some ten years a part and they knew of each other but did not knwo each other.

I am not sure how Red Boy was bred, and not that it really matters today, but for the sheer nostalgia and history, I am choosing the one that leads one to believe he was from the Crebbs yard.

Again, CYJ can add first hand experience form that neck of the woods during that time.

EWO