EWO - doesn't look like anyone is going to change your mind, but let's back up in time and look at how this sport evolved.

It quite simply evolved by someone in the same neighborhood claiming his dog can whoop any dog in that neighborhood. Some accepts that challenge. They get together and find out. They didn't care about weight, condition or anything of the sort. It was the original OTC situation. Well, as humans do, they start looking for an advantage and realize, given more time and provided a few tweaks here and there, their dog may have an advantage over another dog is certain things are adhered to. This scenario goes back and forth over time and the sport begins to evolved. Size matters, rest, diet, exercise and all of these other things that make a difference are understood by the process of "pressure" to win. Eventually, we get to the Cajun Rules to level the playing field.

You are hung up on one particular point and that is your example of making weight or not and collecting FF. Lots of guys collect and go home and the other side just learned this dude is serious and they won't BS him on weight again, or they will avoid him. WIN WIN for the guy that collected AND HIS DOG.

I'm with Brasso - if there's a date and weight - it's not OTC. His definition is exactly the same as mine.

A roll is a hands on situation that is to benefit the student and rules are not adhered to in a strict manner b/c the student has to learn