It was good talking with Earl Helms and learning a little from him. I also discussed the Art of it all with Irish Jerry . I had the pleasure of sitting with Jack Kelly and also was able to get a little historical info from Ed Mullins. Jerry Beal was a great guy as well that came with a wealth of history as well. I very much appreciate those that practiced good or bad before me and look forward to making the sport better starting with better people first then the Bulldogs will follow.