Agree to an extent, but then again not so much.

The greatest dogs seldom face each other. There is always a reason---timing, eras, money, distance, any number of things. Some times even fear, and even out of friendship.

One thing is for sure for every 'greatest XX weight dog to come down the pike, there are many more coming behind him. It simply works that way.

I can't speak to the globalization of bulldogs or the game in other parts of the world but I can speak to the six or so dogs I have seen imported. End of the day they are just like any other set of bulldogs, regardless of their origin, the rule has and always will be the same, some of them make it and some of them do not.

Again, most of this conversation will be based on opinion. But here goes a theory. First, I am cheap and do not like to spend a lot of money on anything, dogs included. Two, I was in the Fila Brasileiro click for some time. The fad was to import the dogs from the mother land, Brazil. What I found, for the most part, is the dogs were only good themselves, and seldom produced a second generation of good dogs and hardly ever made dogs that could make dogs (of high caliber).

Again, opinion. The top notch breeders in Brazil see Americans come running with two handfuls of money. They rate their best two dogs. The one that is the best is a keeper. The second place dog gets sold for high $$$$$. The second dog comes to the US and wins a few ribbons and then gets his nuts bred off. It is hit in miss the first generation and those dogs do not produce squat.

(Breeding show dogs is a lot harder than breeding game dogs. Even ugly game dogs are allowed their opportunity, not so much in the show world)

Parlay that to one of the reasons the other parts of the world stride to the forefront. The guy that has 200 dogs can cull correctly and a lot more effectively than the guy with 6 or 7 with John Q. Public looking over the fence into his back yard. He does not factor in production or the potential for production, or even the return on the initial investment. He can take two XX weight dogs who are excellent and find out which one is better. The one that finished a close second, or even a distant second, is still a kick ass dog.

That guy takes advantage of the person willing to pay $$$$$ to import. That dog arrives, kicks the shit out of one or two and then hangs it up. To some the couple of W's and the big pot is worth the price of admission. Then when the second tier dog is bred it becomes a slippery slope, first generation hit and miss and then from there nothing to write home about.

We can't shit all over the peddlers here in America and try to by-pass that by sending money across the pond thinking 'it's all about the dogs over there, where ever 'over there' happens to be.

A lot of babbling and I apologize for the length. Like I said I am cheap and have not had global experience in the dogs. To go further down that line I seldom vote for dog of the year because seldom have I seen the dog of the year candidates compete. I would be voting mostly on another's version, and most of the time it is biased one way or the other.

Then there is arguing the best of the best. I can only attest to what I have seen. I saw CH. Angel. In three matches and two other rolls she scratched like a rocket, as soon as she go hit she flopped to the floor, took the bottom and look like she was getting spread out like mayo. Then thirty minutes in the dog on top would flop over and within minutes it was a RIP. 2 of her 3 shows were in the box RIP. One shortly thereafter. One roll in and one roll just afterwards.

Couple that with the fact I think Molly Bee is the greatest match dog of all time. She was released 8 times and destroyed everything in front of her to the point nothing ever scratched back to her. No other dog, male or female, can make that claim.

I saw Angel. I only read and heard about Molly Bee. Who is to say that Angel would have not flopped down, and dropped the greatest match dog of all time? No one will ever know.

El Tietre is getting accolades as one of the greatest ever. Maybe Chinaman, or Zebo or Buck would have stopped him if they crossed paths after #2. Pure opinion and pure conjecture. I would venture a guess that there is no one on the planet that actually saw Zebo and also saw El Tietre.

I think all of them would have faired well regardless of where the call home.

Great topic.

Maybe I am a bit biased for the home team, I am not sure. But I am thinking the next great dog can be from anywhere, the next county over, the next country, next continent maybe even the next hemisphere.

I just do not think any one spot is in danger from another spot creating a monopoly on the good dogs.

EWO