Maybe I was unclear on the definition. My understanding was that they were dogs that didn't start, but wouldn't show bad signs if a dog was put on them. I agree with you on the not being a dog for the general public. All my dogs have been gamebred, but I have never bred or sold them. I like good blood and following the game. It helps me in life for some reason. I couldn't own another dog. If I lived on more land I could be one of the low profile people with a few dogs that people talk about. You have to limit who you are around because the nature of things. Those other avenues are all I have available. Its hard to find a good mentor for dogs. Many around me lack common sense, so I follow things on here and try to find people more experienced. I think people that don't understand the true nature of competitive things don't understand the dogs.

I hear you to a degree on the last part. I think schooling has an effect on some of that. I have always gotten dogs for friends. Usually from active people. We have never had the problem people have with people aggression. I warned them all. One didn't listen and came home to a dead dog years after they had been together. The dog I got for my friend was still alive the other wasn't, both males. I have a male and female with me now. Maybe they will change as they get older. I wouldn't call mine curs I have seen them around other bulldogs. I know they would go take a hold. I have to break them off the hide on the flirt pole.

I think the american bully is a monstrosity. In todays current environment I don't know how you live to standards and keep a clean record.