We had pups given to us from all them Boyles fellas. Hell I like them boys. I like ol Joe L. Too. I was lime Family with the Floyds. I had them off Right hand man all the way through the Bodacious stuff all the way through the Andy Capp dogs I'll try them all. But those were off the righthand man dog to a Tboy bitch I believe. Turned out Lights out dogs!!!