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Do you have the stud and dam pedigrees on this site? Not that hard to understand the over all influence of the major dogs in the pedigree of your pup or puppies. Run the fourteen generation on the mating. Everything will break down into percentages of over all influence.

Hollingworth dog's had Lightner red/ red nose influence back in those dog's pedigrees. Yet other strains of dogs can produce the red nose color influence as well. Two different things.

Mr. Lightner bred a red/red nose family of dogs and he later bred a blue or brindle strain of Lightner dogs. He called one the red strain and the latter the blue strain, not that those dogs necessarily came blue brindles etc. The closest strain of dogs that came from the old Lightner red/red nose family of dogs was the Hemphill dogs. Some of his friends in that same time era also breed that strain and tried to keep it intact. Jake Wilder bought the last of Mr. Hemphill dogs. Iron line kennels owned by the Norrod brothers have the last of Jake Wilder's red/red nose Lightner stock.

As getting into Mr. Hollingsworth head. I am sure Jack's book on those dogs would answer all that. Mr. Hollingsworth may have felt that the red/red nose dogs of the Lightner strain carried more of the deep game gene influence. He may have felt the Black/Eli/Bullet etc. dogs were rougher harder show dog types, but tended to be less game with a lesser game gene influence.. Now that is just my adlibbing. IMHO, I feel the success of those Hollingsworth dogs was due to the main breeders behind those dogs. Mr. Hollingsworth saw the value of what they had done and the fine dogs he had acquired. He strove to keep his main family breeding's intact. Like a lot of us, when we finally have got some of this dog game figured out. We ourselves have run out of time. LOL

Mr. Hollingsworth's dogs like the Jocko/Red Boy dogs came big boned/well built with good breathing abilities. Big boned dogs for their show weights. Plus the Hollingsworth's dogs from what I have been told, showed deep gameness and willing to go the distance. My old friend George Cox told me about those Hollingsworth dogs and encouraged me to go check them out and possibly breed too one of his stud dogs. I did talk to V.J. about it. We never got on the same page and failed to follow through. Wish I had though. Cheers