advanced genetics

[CrazyRed]

i believe you but i would like to see what they consider outcrosses what some consider an outcross is really a family breeding. and you have to remember a lot of these lines are related. they may not have common ancestors in the first four generations but if you go back past that they are actually quite related.

I agree, when I speak to outcross I don't mean a family bred dog. For instance taking a heavy Dirty jersey bred dog and taking it to a Bolio dog i consider that breeding within the family. When i speak outcross i mean taking a inbred Hap dog and breeding that to an Eli dog.

for example take the nigger toby dog on paper looks like a complete outcross but if you believe the way eli is bred ( which i dont for a second) then eli and zebo are quite related just down through different families of dibo.

Once you get into believing how a dog is bred the argument changes. I believe either way if Eli is bred how stated by FB he is a heavy linebred Dibo dog. If you look at how DM stated, he's a grandson of Dibo with some Dibo on top.. Zebo is another linebred Dibo dog. Somehow or another they are family related, i do not believe Zebo to be off Eli at all though as some rumor to be.

also what do you consider successfull because say i continually outcross and come up with one or two quality dogs that just is not what i would consider good. now if gthere were 2 quality dogs out of 4 total i would change my mind but say 2 out of 7 is a different story.

to me success is winning and being able to maintain the ability to win in your program. Not many folks get 2 out of 4. Some will say it but not many get that in every litter, most folks get 2 out of 7 but you will only hear but the 2 that won and the ones that lost lol. Folks will say 2 out of 4 bc 2 won and 2 lost, 1 game and 1 quit so # wise it looks good but it really be 9 pups in the litter. 2 out of 7 isn't great but it's better than not getting no winners.

Also like EWO said selection is everything no matter which way you breed. personally i really dont care which way people breed or even what anyone other than me is doing. this is just the way i am i dont worry about what the next man is doing unless it effects me directly

I agree selection is everything, i never have concerns for any other man yard unless my opinion is asked from that individual.