Hopefully there can be some common ground.

I am not a breeder but I enjoyed the read above about genetics, diversity and heredity. Another hope is that this gets resolved and all parties are good with the end result.

My Miss Two Eyes pedigrees show Snooty. Based on the dogs I have owned and seen I prefer the Snooty version, not that has any factoring in what is correct.

If there is indisputable proof then the best practice would be to make the database as absolutely accurate as possible. I'm not sure if at this point there is enough proof to use the term indisputable.

If there is a way to make the pedigrees to get the information needed and not change the coefficients of a bunch of other dogs that would serve both parties. I am not a pedigree or database guy so I doubt I could help that much.

To tag the genetic/heredity comments and Jack changing Hammer's pedigree. My comment then and now is that it is not as simple as changing the pedigree as the next guy may have bred a series of dogs down off the Snooty version and then his numbers change and sort of tosses a wrench in his doings. I made the comment when Jack was making the change that if all those VG dogs were bred with Hammer in mind then later it was Rueben the breeding theories get really screwy. Hammer was bred one way but there were other Hollingsworth dogs used that were not exactly Hammer but it was a Hollingsworth blend. I suggested then maybe the line breeding was paper and the actual breeding was an out cross over and over. He told me I was a fuck-tard and had not bred thousands of winners and hundreds of champions. Short story tag this subject and post it in another section. It is a great topic/subject and you have a boat load of things to offer.

I do not own Garner dogs myself. I have seen some really good ones and seen some really bad ones. Like most others. This gets off topic of the original thread but I am his biggest fan. Not dog related though. He should be teaching a class at an Ivy League business school. He identified a desirable product. He made a capital investment. He marketed his product and he then tuned his product, his marketing and his business to a target audience/clientele. Over time he has tested the market with price increases and continued to hit the target audience with not only what they want, but with what they think they want. Over time he has also built a network that readily supplies him with the information he needs to change/adjust to the next wave of customers. He often buys back his successful products to perpetuate the business, again the combination of marketing and networking to ensure there is a return on every dollar spent. Pure business genius. This works selling dogs, cars or hotdogs. Pure genius.

But back to the original post. For the sake of the database I would think the Snooty version is most preferred. If there is indisputable proof then I would like to see it changed as absolute accuracy should be the end goal of this database, or any database for that matter. I personally prefer the Snooty version because a lot of my dogs have carried Snooty along the way. But that is not a factor as my personal preference carries no weight when it comes to accuracy as both Snooty and Rascal were a number of years before my time.

Hopefully there is some common ground that allows all to continue sharing knowledge, insight and personal experience in these dogs.

EWO