as far as it being garner's amos well that is what it is and pretty much the only breeding that amounted to much was the breeding where stomper was born and tom did not make that breeding there are 8 breedings on this site for amos and tom made four of them. snake man made almost as much according to this site. Garner bought the dog when he was older he did not breed him or raise him. just because he has his name attached to the dog does not make what he says mean more than others. he has his name attached to chinaman to but i and a lot of other people think of chinaman as V&B's Chinaman since they were the ones that made him a household name. basically it is semantics he buys the dog sticks his name on there and magically people forget who made the dog which was i believe woods and abernathy and the people who used the dog for his intended purpose which was V&B. you are correct i don't like the man personally i believe he is everything that is wrong with the breed. he lies for one thing and has been caught falsifying peds is he the only one of course not but he still does it then he sells these dogs to anyone with some cash and sells to people who should not own a dog nevermind a purebred APBT. hell just in september alone according to his site he had 23 litters on the ground that is ridiculous. not only that he has the nerve to say he is the best breeder of these dogs 23 litters say they average 6 dogs a litter, that is 138 dogs produced and he will sell everyone of them and keep none for $1,500.00 a piece that is $207,000.00. i would love to see the percentages of good dogs out of 138. let's say 30% work out which is a low percent that is 41 dogs. To me that is the epitome of throw enough shit against the wall something is bound to stick. i just believe the man brings a lot of unwanted attention and somehow walks around free. there are just too many coincidences surrounding him.