i agree CYJ i will separate it into paragraphs. also it is what it is i believe rascal is the sire and have my reasons now the only reason that other pedigree sites agree with garner's ped is because they just copied what was already there. that is usually what most sites do. like i said what i believe is not going to change anything. i just think garners word or whatever should not outweigh the man who bred amos and the man who used a son of amos to create a well respected bloodline. there are breeders and there are competitors and then there are those rare few that do both and i guess i respect those few more and take there word to mean more also. again no disrespect to you and as far as that blind billy guy he was nuts and i am not taking anyone's word as gospel i am just going by more than someone's word i am going by what i know about the line and the way they act and look compared to other lines down from snooty and they are worlds apart but whatever i will deal with what i have