I'm very new to breeding but not winning. When I finally grew a little more I started breeding my own. Its an even more fun of a challenge than working. I breed rbj base dogs down from crews/burns/cottingham/lockjaw/bbc/ates/wilder/smith. Sounds like a lot when you put all of them together but its all close neat. http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum...eeding_id=7529 I believe in gameness 1st but wont leave the house without either smarts or punch.