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From: JJY
To: MRHX
Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2013 9:36 am
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Re: Question about a dogs breeding. Quote message
Hello that Bert Sorrells/Cleo pedigree was posted by jdoranc. Seems he has only posted a topic on this site but one time. Which was not well received.

Would be nice to know who he actually is and where he got his info. Mr. Carl Mims told me that the Cleo bitch was out of a daughter of Bullet bred back to Bullet. But did not tell me the breeding on the dam side of the first breeding to Bullet. That would be important to know. Then you have the Fancier insisting that the Red Devil breeding in Lopassay's Bouncer is correct.

From my years in the dogs I learned that certain older inbred/line bred bloodlines carried certain traits of color, body build, even the type ears. Even if the pedigrees shown were correct or half correct.

The Basic lines were Colby/Colby-Corvino/Lightner brindles-Lightner Red nose strains. Take a good look at that McGee/Johnson's Apostle dog. This dog carries some of what is called Eli/Dibo breeding etc. The Colby gene is predominant in that dog. Looks just like a Colby dog. My Colby/Dibo Heinzl bred bitch Tina looked a lot like that dog.

The Red Boy line to me showed a lot of that Red Devil/Wilder-Wise-Hemphill Red Nose cross traits and maybe the Sorrels cross. Look more so like those dogs than Bullet bred dogs. Mr. Teal had two older brood bitches on his yard that were directly off Cotton's Bullet. They were mostly black with some white markings in chest. Looked nothing like a Red Boy bred line of dogs.

For as any Bullet breeding never saw a Bullet looking Black- Black/White marked dog on K.Marlowes dog yard. The Bullet bred dogs I ever saw or owned from dogs bred off Lopassay's Bullet/Bullet Two dogs were black or black/White marked dogs.

The only reason I mentioned any of this was seeing that same pedigree posted. Had seen a lot of Red Boy/Cleo bred dogs. They looked nothing like any Bullet dogs I have ever seen.

In this day and time best just deal with the dogs at the end of your chains. The breeding on Red Boy/Bullet/Eli have been argued about since I was in the game back in the 70's. The people that could have corrected the pedigrees are long dead.

If I was to get back into the game. Would start with some male dogs off McGee/Johnson's yard for the male line and hard bite traits. I knew TarHill when he was just getting into the dogs around his early twentys. He has the correct bred dogs that the pedigrees show. He and Ozzie Stevens were friends and TarHill got some good brood bitches from Ozzie.

For some brood bitches would go visit TaTonka Kennels and see what she has. Like those BLK &Tan off colored dogs shown. Shows that Hunter Sam/Tana breeding. Good Corvino blood in that line.

Just some of my opinions is all. You like your dogs you pay the feed bill. Enjoy your dogs. No one ever had a monopoly on the Dog game/Horse racing game/Game Chicken game. Good pulling dogs are where you find them. What is really hard to find is good dog conditioners. Good Luck