Very true. But half these dogs are sold based on 'guts on the floor and blood on the ceiling' war stories. The red and blue pedigree print is one more tool that was meant to be used on a positive way but gets flip flopped if it serves a purpose.

If Haymaker quit yesterday and was being bred today then tomorrow's puppy purchaser is getting screwed. No doubts. But since Haymaker was bred a number of years ago and there are several generations between him and puppies being sold today it really does not factor in at all whether he quit or not. It immediately jumps to whether the dogs he produced in turn produces game dogs. Performance and production have no link other than we get the warm fuzzies breeding game dogs. Granted stacking game dog on top of game dog increases the odds of more game dogs and even that is not an absolute.

If Haymaker did or did not indeed quit then so be it. He has some offspring/grandkids that have went out there and did it, mostly as crosses but did it the same.

The better question would be how around that time how those dogs became thick hided, rough and durable and could bite shit in just about half. If I were going to use the Holland strain of Red Boy I would want to breed toward those dogs understanding I had an unknown variable vs. wondering whether Haymaker quit or not.

The Banks Heatmaker dog is throwing dogs with real clamp. His offspring in turn are doing the same. A number of years back I never remembered anyone saying those Holland dogs could really shut it down....then all of a sudden CLAMP.

If he quit, he quit. So be it. If there were a true way to identify gamedogs in every pedigree there would be an awful lot of hurt feelings.

EWO