Bulldogs and Terriers

[CYJ]

Hello Skip11. The older standard of a perfect built American Pit Bull (Terrier) not a Bulldog. Can be seen on the cover's of the My Friend and Yours dog magazine. That was published years back by Pete Sparks. Some Pit Bull dog historians believe what we call the American Pit Bull Terrier is one and same breed of dog of yesterday called a English Bulldog or Bulldogge etc.

IMHO do not agree totally with that approach. A article and pictures back in the 70's of a breeder of dogs we call today the American Bulldog. Was in one of Ralph Greenwood's ADBA Gazette magazines. This person lived in Georgia and claimed his family had these dogs from before the Civil war. Said the first original dogs were shipped from England. These original dogs were very nice looking with mixed colors of white and brindle etc. IMHO, were better built Mastiff type looking dogs without the excessive head and lips of the Mastiff. He claimed these dogs were the original English Bulldog.

If you can find some pictures of his original dogs. You can see how the show dog people's new standard. Has changed the over all looks of the original dogs to worse and not better. It appears most show type breeders of this breed of dogs today. Prefer the white ones over the mixed colored ones if the mix colored ones exist today.

We should strive to breed more to a Pit Bull Terrier standard and not to a so called Bulldog standard. I know this is hard due to the fact that gaminess and serious pulling traits come first before just looks. Still, better put together dogs toward a more Bull Terrier standard like the Pete Sparks dog, IMHO is the better type build than a more Bulldog/Mastiff type build.

Myself in the last years used a good amount of the Bully Son x Carver crosses. I got into much bigger dogs over night. Was the same for those using the Williams' Paladin x Red Boy and Jocko X Red Boy. Some of these dogs were up to seventy and eighty pounds on the chain. These bigger dogs become more what we call having a Bulldog look with the longer heavier type bodies. Some of the Bully Son dogs being one and a half dogs long and one half dog high,heavy muscled and big boned.

So today, it appears if you can keep your stock in the forty pound and smaller mid thirty pound range. You get more Bull Terrier type looking dogs with the rat tails and tight seal skin, etc. Having a more active agility weasel type movements, most terriers are noted for.

The big catch weight dogs in the upper fifties and sixties tend to be more Bulldog type looking with bigger and longer tails and sometimes a rougher coat. lacking sometimes the nice seal skin of the smaller dogs.

There is today another breed of dog called a Bully Pit or something to that effect. Seems to be a blend of the American Bulldog x American Staff and American Pit Bull. As one can see these dogs are defiantly not the same type dogs we have. LOL

This should create some good discussion. Since many believe our dogs originated from a English Bulldog x English type Terrier which well my be true. Cheers