I don't know why people run them into the ground either. I can understand "trying" with a dog that age ... maybe ... but to let them go all the way out is wrong IMO.
Jack
I don't know why people run them into the ground either. I can understand "trying" with a dog that age ... maybe ... but to let them go all the way out is wrong IMO.
Jack
I prefer Face/ear dogs over any other styles myself. Have seen many "mediocre" facedogs outpull and stop multiwinnig dogs in short order. Many dogs can't handle the stress and frustration having a nasty fucker in the head making it impossible to get things done. If you have a decent head dog it takes one helluva dog just to bear him.
I agree with this 100%.Originally Posted by skipper
Just from a combat strategy alone, if a person thinks about it, "the head" of the other dog is where the weapons are. The dog that totally controls the head therefore totally controls the fight. And the dog whose head is being controlled is likewise utterly ineffective in what he's trying to do. Time and again I have seen what you've seen ... namely, some so-called "monster" of a biting dog run into a slick head dog ... and find himself not be able to do what he wants ... get frustrated ... and eventually stand the line suckin' air at some point.
And this story of Ch Silver that R2L posted is basically history repeating itself again :cool:
Jack
PS: You wouldn't happen to have a link to any of Ch Silver's deals would you?
Found 2 links. One was password protected and the other was deleted. I will look some more, give you a pm if I find something. Maybe there are others on this board who has a link? Would be appreciated. As this dog is worth seeing more than once.
Okay thanks.
Thank you for this!
I will look at it when I get in the city, as out here in the country my service is too slow to watch streaming video.
Jack
To appreciate just how good a dog Ch Silver was I think it's important to understand how truly badass Ch Blackmup was, if it's possible try to watch one of Ch Blackmups matches before you watch that Silver vs Blackmup video.
I remember when Ch Silver was alive and after seeing his matches on video, I was so impressed with his intelligence, athleticism and controlling head style, that I wanted to base my yard on Ch Silver... I contacted kennels that ran that blood, Shumadija kennels (and others that I can't remember the name of right now), with a view to buying dogs from this bloodline. However, the more research I did the less impressed I became, the dogs of this bloodline have to be the slowest scratching dogs i'v ever seen in my life. I personally would not feel confidant showing a dog from this bloodline under cajun rules.
Last edited by AmberLamps; 02-29-2012 at 01:10 PM.
Interesting commentary MTK.
The Silver/Blackmup match sounds a lot like when the old man and his crew took the Robert T dog to face the Ch Gomez dog. A spectator there (who was friends with the old man) took him aside and said, "This is the baddest, killingest dog I've ever seen. If he bites you twice, you die. Don't bet too much." The old man thanked the guy for sincerely trying to warn him of this ace, and then asked him, "I have an extra ten thousand left to bet on Robert T, are you interested?"
Well, it was a helluva match, and pretty much everyone there thought the Gomez dog would have beat any dog alive ... except the greatest head dog ever known (in the USA anyway) ... and Robert T finally stopped Gomez in 3:10, on the ear. Gomez almost got his shot once, as he hit Robert T in the backend one time, and blood hit the ref, and it crippled Robert T, but he got Gomez out and never let him back in there again.
In the end, Gomez' entire head was swollen like a watermelon, and he staggered out at 3:10 and took the count, which was a shame because all the veterans I talk to said RARELY is a dog who bites that damned hard that damned game. True, he wasn't dead game, but to go 3:10 with a the Ace of all Ace Head dogs was something no other dog had ever done. When Gomez faced regular dogs they were rendered dead or disabled in minutes.
Anyway, just rambling on about this because what you said about Silver/Blackmup match reminded me of it
Jack
Thanks for sharing that Jack, that made for some interesting reading.
Funny what you said about Gomez' head being swollen like a watermelon, as this is exactly what happened to Ch Blackmup, if I remember correctly when he's asked to scratch he scratches into a bulldog logo on the pit wall because he cant see Ch Silver.
It would be nice to hear your assessment of Ch Silver once you've seen the video, especially seeing as you've got a lifetimes experience of breeding intelligent, athletic head/ear dogs... Cheers
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