Swamp Dweller, there is no need to get your feelings hurt over a differing opinion, especially when that opinion is based on first hand experience with a veritable multitude of animals, with absolutely no expense spared to acquire them.

I have seen dozens upon dozens of the Boyles dogs from just about every notable kennel who bred them in the 1990's, including many from the man himself. The bottom line is they are not in general a line of high percentage game dogs. I remember well a SDJ in the late 80's in the "Rappin With The White Castle Kid" section where he was talking about the various popular lines of the day. About the Boyles dogs he said " Rough cur dogs that are mean as snakes". It would take a few more years until I would see a bunch of them myself, but I never forgot that. It proved to be a deadly accurate assesment from my own experience.

Now, with that said, I realize there are some game pockets of the Boyles dogs, and some game individuals. For example, we showed a Handicapp son (T-Boy stuff) who lost brutally honest in 1:47. He was the pure truth. We had a little Tobacco Road daughter who was real good. Above all, the two sisters by Red Johnny x Rick's Missy were phenomenal animals one of which; Roto, became our premier brood matron. However, I believe Roto and Precious were rock solid in spite of their topside, not because of it. You see, they come from a string of winning and game females themselves in Hollingsworth's Ruby (2X), Garner's Cal Cat (1X), and Rick's Missy. Of those two Missy daughters, only Roto was proven in the brood pen, and she produced game dogs in very high percentages. Likewise, I have seen a number of the Garner dogs direct from Tom. I don't like them much better than the Boyles dogs, they are rough, low percentage dogs. The best of them in y opinion have the ultra-game Hollingsworth blood like Missy, CH Rebel Yell, GR CH Spikey etc. did. The fact that I had a breeding program based around a Garner female and a Boyles sire only serves to show that I am not biased against either line. I recognize the value and contribution that both breeders made to the breed. It was Tom himself who said "I am Wal-Mart". In general, I don't shop for my clothes at Wal-Mart, but they do carry a few quality brands like Dickies. So it is with the "Wal-Mart" dog breeders, it isn't all bad! On the other hand, it damn sure isn't all good either. If a fancier gets something of high quality from a high percentage game pocket out of that type of breeding program, they would do well to stop and begin to breed upon it. Buying dogs out of a low percentage program is a good way to go broke unless you have very deep pockets like my friend who fooled with the blood. Before he got out of dogs in 1998, he ended up getting some traditional old Patrick (Bolio-Clouse-Tombstone) dogs and even some from the Carolina Kitten which were much more satsifactory overall in the gameness department.