Quote Originally Posted by YigYang
KEEPING YOUR BLOOD PURE OR CROSSING????
i have heard many fellers say that they love there line pure with no crossed (redboy ect.) but i always have had in the back of my mind is why keep something pure if it needs crossed unless you are just breeding for show papers.
Why do you think pure lines "need" a cross "in the back of your mind?"

Ch Red Bull, for example, from my own line made Champion earlier this year, and he was one of the very tightest-bred dogs I have ever put together in my life.

Here are some other famous inbred dogs:

* Gr Ch Tornado (10xW)
* Gr CH Pedro (9xW, ROM)
* Ch Rascal (8xW, 1xL POR)
* Gr Ch Buck (7xW, ROM)
* Gr Ch Sir Dog (7xW)
* Gr Ch Zebo (7xW, ROM)
* Gr Ch BB Red (6xW)
* Gr Ch Banjo (5xW, ROM)
* Gr Ch Happy Jack (5xW)

Now then, ask yourself honestly what "outcrossed" dogs are historically any better than these highly-inbred dogs? And, as a matter of fact, take a look at Gr Ch Zukill (6xW) himself my friend. Really take the time to study his pedigree, and you will see he is nothing but a linebred Hollingsworth/Crum type dog Then ask yourself this important question: what "outcrossed" litter did Zukill ever throw that was better than he was ... or that racked-up the 12 wins that he and his linebred littermates racked-up as a litter?

The truth is, sure there are plenty of great outcross dogs, no doubt, but they are NOT any greater than the greatest inbred/linebred dogs, not by a longshot.




Quote Originally Posted by YigYang
KEEPING YOUR BLOOD PURE OR CROSSING????
As i have understood that we cross to either add something that are dog was missing and there other cross had, or trying to produce better quility animals. (now if you are breeding on the papers and brood stock mabey it is they way to go, but just curious and want answers
With all due respect, you have simply understood wrong. You have been told nonsense by people who themselves never had a real breeding record, they just made "assumptions" about line and inbreeding based on nothing but their imaginations, as opposed to actual experience repeatedly and consistently line- and inbreeding a family of dogs for the right reasons. Sure, there are plenty of paper breeders "keeping it tight" with helpless, inbred bullshit. I agree with you. However, real breeders keep their dogs tight based on their abilities ... which the above pedigrees of these multiple Grand Champions clearly reflect.

So the ultimate answer to your question about inbreeding all boils down to SELECTION, nothing more, and if you can remember just one thing from this post it is this:

[center:7srxgg1c]"There is no such thing as breeding 'too tight';
There is only 'poor selection.'"[/center:7srxgg1c]

SELECTION IS EVERYTHING. So the best advice I can possibly give you would be to really, truly take the time to read those two family breeding articles I posted up at the top of this breeding sub-forum, because I can tell you based on 20+ years breeding nothing but the same family that these principles are 100% true. I don't need to outcross to anything; I can stay within my own line/yard and continue to produce dogs that will whip the competition far more often than they'll ever lose to it ... just like they have been doing all along.

Cheers,

Jack

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