CYJ I truly enjoy every thing you write, I know you don't remember me because it was a lot of years ago, but I met you through three men one was The Professor who had the Ch. Gina bitch and the other two was Eric and Orion who had the Crazy Critter dog if my memory is still good. I remember our conversation you were so polite and patience and gave out good information when nobody was willing to at that time in N.C. Sorry to get off subject I know of another good old timer won't say his name but he went under B. Oreo he was from N.Y. he fed canned dog food and dry and his record was one to be admired. The second time Crenshaw and Kelley saw me on a hunt in KY. Crenshaw pulled me a side and wanted to know how I worked and fed that thirty pound bitch I knew then I was on to something. But my bulldogs got really better after long talks with Bob S. of the S.T.P. combine he was truly a great dog man that stayed behind the curtains, also a friend from down your way later on also gave me very good advice M. Gainey on dogs , breedings, feedings , work but mostly he gave me confidence in my self and in my dogs. Please keep contributing as I look forward most every day to see your posts. Yours in the Game Johnny