I understand lineage and ancestry and foundation and all those 'big words' when it comes to pedigrees and breeding and production. The funniest part to me is that the biggest arguments and the most heated debates are about the dogs who lived the longest time ago. Dibo or Red Boy or even Jeep have little to no impact in todays dogs. Of course they made the dogs that made the dogs but it was so long ago. A faked pedigree or hung papers in the 1950's, 60's or maybe even the 70's have very little impact today. I'm no breeder but trying to recreate yesteryear is a no-win battle.

A guy near here is our 'resident pedigree expert'. He knows how everyone's dogs are bred, even more so that the owner and breeder of the dogs. His conspiracy theories are fun to listen to but never go anywhere with him. Odds are you will either be asked to leave or more than likely not invited back. We drove from NC to Clearwater, FL to deal dogs. Our camp had worked out a really good trade off and all was well. Then our expert went to telling the guy how dogs he bred were not really bred that way. From conversation to accusation. Trade went off but it took some time to separate me from him in the eyes of the fellows in Florida.

Pedigrees that are accurate and consistent are really important on site like this as a couple of discrepancies can really toss a wrench into the workings of the database. I get that and if they are in question I don't post. I have only posted mine, and a few just to get down to my dogs.

On that conversation with Mr. Hughes he said the only way to know is stick them yourself. Everything from that point forward is in your control and everything from that point backward is a guessing game. In so many words.

But a great series of posts. Especially on Red Boy. HC always said Red Boy was not bred as advertised. Many thoughts and theories as well. He had some straight off Red Boy,some double bred off of him. He and K. Marlowe were tight back then.

Throws to a funnier story, Older people can remember when long distance rates applied to everything outside your county. People even wrote letters by hand back then. HC was setting up to buy a dog with K. Marlowe and do a match down near where she lived. I remember he and his wife having a knock down drag out over the phone bill. He had a $300 phone bill tied up in a $300 puppy. Sign of the times.

EWO